Education vs. "Doing Own Thing"

[ironchef]

I just found that in state is $2,689 and out of state is $9,653. sry I should have done this first.

Thats including all the fees right? Actual tuition itself should be around the number I wrote.

[{X}Echo419]

Thats including all the fees right? Actual tuition itself should be around the number I wrote.

I donno, it didn't say. besides it's what you wind up paying total that matters anyways.
I'm willing to conceed that these #'s are w/fees

[ironchef]

I donno, it didn't say. besides it's what you wind up paying total that matters anyways.
I'm willing to conceed that these #'s are w/fees

Yea thats true, i was just wondering.

[Julio]

Dont matter if you have a degree or not. All in life is how hard and "SMART" you work.
I know more people with degrees that do something else then I know that stick to there degree, is crazy and a waste of time in my book.

[AWD OWNZ U]

Some disadvantages of a large school are the enormous sized classes. It's likely you can have a class with 900 people. No matter what you say or how many questions you ask in class, the professor won't know your name. Many classes are taught by Teacher's Assistants, which means you are not getting as high a quality as you would like. At a large university you are just a number to some people, and you can get lost in the crowd. Finally, all professors think they are hot shots and care more about their own research than helping students.

I don't recall ever having a 900 person class and Michigan is one of the largest universities in the US. Ya there were classes that were maybe 400 people but those are far and away the minority. I had only one class that big while I was there. All of my in major classes were taught by professors. Class sizes were usually 30-40 students. That might seem like a lot but almost all my professors knew me by name, if you sit near the front, participate in class, and attend office hours it's pretty easy to get to know your professors. Most everyone in the department knew each other. There are a lot of people at the school but the departments make a concerted effort to give a more community feeling within. That all professors only care about their research is a myth that is simply not true. Certainly there are a few but A LOT of professors really enjoy teaching and take great pride in it. You also get the chance to interact first hand with people who are extremely prominent and well known in their field.

Small universities on the other hand have smaller classes. These smaller classes may put more emphasis on learning and hands-on experience. they have more individualized majors. It is not a set curriculum that thousands of people follow every semester. With smaller classes students are able to get to know their professors better. This is great from when its time to find letters of recommendation. Try getting a letter from a teacher when you were just one of 900 students in the class.

I've never attended a small school outside of a few courses at a community college so I can't speak first hand as to what it's like. I have to say though your characterization of a large school is simply wrong, at least at Michigan. It can feel overwhelming your first year or two but once you settle in and really start taking in major courses you get the feel of a much smaller school. Not to mention you neglect the perks of a huge school. Ever been to a football game with a 113,000+ people at it? It's something you will never get a small school.

Most employeers realize that a student is more likely to get a quality education and not just pass the test in a smaller school(ie smaller class) than in a Large school where he/her is read lectures by TA's.

I disagree and I'd like to know what you base this on. I've never had any employeer or person in industry tell me anything of the sort.

btw: how much is GaTech per symester? like 10-20K?

I don't pay for GA Tech but like was mentioned it's a pretty cheap school. I don't consider it a large school though. IIRC Michigan is twice as big, our campus is probably almost 3x as large. Michigan is ~5k in-state and ~15k out-of-state for tution and fees. Lloyd Carr doesn't cheap. lol

[C22H19N3O4]

I disagree and I'd like to know what you base this on.

Everything he utters is baseless, which is why I laughed when he compared Harvard to KSU.

Who couldn't benefit from a post-secondary education? Whether it's a 2 year or 4 year degree, you will put it to good use at some point. You want to own a business? An accounting degree doesn't hurt. Perhaps you want to tutor your kids when they have homework issues? Unfortunately, the last book you read was Huckleberry Finn and barely passed high school geometry. I find it amusing that people who never had (or have) the mental capacity to flourish in college are now sitting on the sidelines devaluing its worth. You get what YOU put into it. Don't expect the college to hold your hand through four years so you can have some sort of "Saved By the Bell:The College Years" experience. If you feel college is not for you, then dropout for a semester or two and do some soul searching. College is not just about the "formal" education.

You also get the chance to interact first hand with people who are extremely prominent and well known in their field.

The reason most college students don't experience that is b/c they are too busy complaining about their 2 years of core classes. I guess that's the reason most dropout as freshmen or sophomores. At least it frees up finanical aid for those who really need it.

[RandomGuy]

Hahaha k i'm gonna have to agree with you on that one...the ratio this year has gone up to: 1/10 . But even then it's still VERY UNIMPRESSIVE ya kno. Like I said, i went to perimeter this year to eat lunch with some friends and I was just like everywhere

right you are bro... u need to check out lawrenceville campus lolz even dunwoody campus lol thats where i go

[{X}Echo419]

I don't recall ever having a 900 person class and Michigan is one of the largest universities in the US. Ya there were classes that were maybe 400 people but those are far and away the minority. I had only one class that big while I was there. All of my in major classes were taught by professors. Class sizes were usually 30-40 students. That might seem like a lot but almost all my professors knew me by name, if you sit near the front, participate in class, and attend office hours it's pretty easy to get to know your professors. Most everyone in the department knew each other. There are a lot of people at the school but the departments make a concerted effort to give a more community feeling within. That all professors only care about their research is a myth that is simply not true. Certainly there are a few but A LOT of professors really enjoy teaching and take great pride in it. You also get the chance to interact first hand with people who are extremely prominent and well known in their field.

400/900 is there really a difference? in a class that big you might as well get your degree online.

I've never attended a small school outside of a few courses at a community college so I can't speak first hand as to what it's like. I have to say though your characterization of a large school is simply wrong, at least at Michigan. It can feel overwhelming your first year or two but once you settle in and really start taking in major courses you get the feel of a much smaller school. Not to mention you neglect the perks of a huge school. Ever been to a football game with a 113,000+ people at it? It's something you will never get a small school.

SWEET! I didn't know I could put all my trips to Sanford Stadium on my resume! NASA here I come!

I disagree and I'd like to know what you base this on. I've never had any employeer or person in industry tell me anything of the sort.

the President of my Company will be in town tomorrow. you could ask him.

I don't pay for GA Tech but like was mentioned it's a pretty cheap school. I don't consider it a large school though. IIRC Michigan is twice as big, our campus is probably almost 3x as large. Michigan is ~5k in-state and ~15k out-of-state for tution and fees. Lloyd Carr doesn't cheap. lol

as I posted above "in-state" Tech is pretty cheap. but for out of state students it's a little pricey.

[{X}Echo419]

Dont matter if you have a degree or not. All in life is how hard and "SMART" you work.
I know more people with degrees that do something else then I know that stick to there degree, is crazy and a waste of time in my book.

we can debate this all day but what Julio said pretty much sums it up.

[AWD OWNZ U]

400/900 is there really a difference? in a class that big you might as well get your degree online.

What the hell? That doesn't make any sense. So because you have ONE class that is big you should get your entire degree online? That's one of the most asinine things I've ever heard.

SWEET! I didn't know I could put all my trips to Sanford Stadium on my resume! NASA here I come!

I learned early on and that if you went to Michigan you should at least follow the team because you will get asked. "Soft skills" are just as important in life as "hard skills" and being able to carry on a personable conversation about non-work items is important. Oh and since you mentioned it "Oh wow you went to Michigan." - NASA recruiter

the President of my Company will be in town tomorrow. you could ask him.

I could try but the last time I asked for the president at Walmart they laughed at me. Maybe if I mentioned you?

as I posted above "in-state" Tech is pretty cheap. but for out of state students it's a little pricey.

Unless you get financial aide which most students do.

we can debate this all day but what Julio said pretty much sums it up.

Not really. I don't really care what you do with you life it's your decision, but I know there are plenty of people on this board who are of the age where they need to decide where to go to school. To convince those people that going to Kennesaw State (picked randomly) is as good or even better than GA Tech or UGA is disingenuous at best and down right irresponsible at worst. If you decide to move out of Georgia no one will even have heard of Kennesaw but GA Tech or UGA will still carry weight.

Everything he utters is baseless, which is why I laughed when he compared Harvard to KSU.

Ya I'm getting that.

[{X}Echo419]

What the hell? That doesn't make any sense. So because you have ONE class that is big you should get your entire degree online? That's one of the most asinine things I've ever heard.

Comence question dodging! did I say ^that^? maybe you should have payed more attention in your 399 person English class...

I learned early on and that if you went to Michigan you should at least follow the team because you will get asked. "Soft skills" are just as important in life as "hard skills" and being able to carry on a personable conversation about non-work items is important. Oh and since you mentioned it "Oh wow you went to Michigan." - NASA recruiter

I'm definitally going to use that when the misses starts bitching about me watching football. "Baby, I'm preparing myself for an interview."

I could try but the last time I asked for the president at Walmart they laughed at me. Maybe if I mentioned you?

a. me Wal-Mart? not hardly pal . b. think about what you just said....Wal-Mart is the LARGEST RETAILER IN THE WORLD! thus the President of Wal-Mart would be a pretty important guy. if you ever take another econimics class get a seat a more to the front ot the auditorium.

Unless you get financial aide which most students do.

and most students have to pay it back with intrest soooo.... that would make it a little more expensive. Econ 1101

Not really. I don't really care what you do with you life it's your decision, but I know there are plenty of people on this board who are of the age where they need to decide where to go to school. To convince those people that going to Kennesaw State (picked randomly) is as good or even better than GA Tech or UGA is disingenuous at best and down right irresponsible at worst. If you decide to move out of Georgia no one will even have heard of Kennesaw but GA Tech or UGA will still carry weight.

I could careless what others here do. I was just expressing an opinion. one with facts and supporting evidence. you on the otherhand are arguing with, "Michigan is a BIG school, BUNCHES of students, and a Division 1 Football team."

[AWD OWNZ U]

Comence question dodging! did I say ^that^? maybe you should have payed more attention in your 399 person English class...

It was chemistry. To answer you question yes there is a huge difference. And you asserted that you "might as well get your degree online." Which is what I responded to. At least pretend to stand by your ridiculuos assertions.

a. me Wal-Mart? not hardly pal . b. think about what you just said....Wal-Mart is the LARGEST RETAILER IN THE WORLD! thus the President of Wal-Mart would be a pretty important guy. if you ever take another econimics class get a seat a more to the front ot the auditorium.

Well since your "facts" were ask my boss and you failed to tell me where you work, I could only assume. It wasn't a dig on Walmart. So where do you work?

and most students have to pay it back with intrest soooo.... that would make it a little more expensive. Econ 1101

I was refering to grants not loans.

I could careless what others here do. I was just expressing an opinion. one with facts and supporting evidence. you on the otherhand are arguing with, "Michigan is a BIG school, BUNCHES of students, and a Division 1 Football team."

Nothing you have said has come anywhere close to resembling a fact nor evidence.

I'll help you out, this is evidence...
http://www.payscale.com/salary-surve...id-70/fid-6886
A University of Phoenix graduate makes half of what a Harvard grad makes.

All you've done is make baseless accusations about what it's like to attend a large university. I actually went to one so I related my actual experience about what's it's really like. So where did you go to college?

[{X}Echo419]

It was chemistry. To answer you question yes there is a huge difference. And you asserted that you "might as well get your degree online." Which is what I responded to. At least pretend to stand by your ridiculuos assertions.



Well since your "facts" were ask my boss and you failed to tell me where you work, I could only assume. It wasn't a dig on Walmart. So where do you work?



I was refering to grants not loans.



Nothing you have said has come anywhere close to resembling a fact nor evidence.

I'll help you out, this is evidence...
http://www.payscale.com/salary-surve...id-70/fid-6886
A University of Phoenix graduate makes half of what a Harvard grad makes.

All you've done is make baseless accusations about what it's like to attend a large university. I actually went to one so I related my actual experience about what's it's really like. So where did you go to college?

some articles by people that went to "BIG" schools.
http://www.math.uiowa.edu/~jsimon/Wh...geIsRight.html
http://www.positions21.com/Positions...d_Lithman.html
and Slate did an article on this very topic. So have several "BIG" Universities. you went to a BIG school. you should be able to find some.

the University of Phoenix is a "on-line" school that advertises on cable tv. and to think you were getting on to me for comparing KSU to Harvard. that's like compareing a little league team in Ga to the Yankees and say, "See people up north can play baseball better."

Specialty Products and Insulation

I went to UGA.

I make baseless accusations? you just told me that going to football games can get you a job! come on...

[{X}Echo419]

ya know, this is getting old.

I like others here that I've quoted believe school is what you make it. you apparently think the "size" of the school is the key to success.

you have your opinions I have mine. it doesn't look like either 1 of us is going to change it. lets end this disscusion.

[AWD OWNZ U]

http://www.math.uiowa.edu/~jsimon/Wh...geIsRight.html

When advising students on how to select a graduate school, I usually tell people to "go to the best place that will give you money"; in other words, go to the best place that will accept you with the expectation that you will succeed strongly (not minimally). The same advice seems appropriate in selecting a college: go to the most demanding and competitive school in which you're likely to do very well.

http://www.positions21.com/Positions...d_Lithman.html

That's some 23 yr old blogger. Are you serious?

Here you go, here's a paper by a Harvard Professor...
http://www.economics.harvard.edu/fac...pers/whole.pdf

the University of Phoenix is a "on-line" school that advertises on cable tv. and to think you were getting on to me for comparing KSU to Harvard. that's like compareing a little league team in Ga to the Yankees and say, "See people up north can play baseball better."

You were the one who said "you might as well get a degree online." Also I didn't say anything about you comparing KSU to Harvard that was somebody else.

Specialty Products and Insulation

I went to UGA.

So did you have any classes with 900 people in them?

I make baseless accusations? you just told me that going to football games can get you a job! come on...

Now you are putting words in my mouth. I said that one of the things you miss out by going to a small school is big time athletics and that I do get asked about it when people find out I went to Michigan. How you infered it will get you a job out of that is beyond me.

ya know, this is getting old.

I like others here that I've quoted believe school is what you make it. you apparently think the "size" of the school is the key to success.

you have your opinions I have mine. it doesn't look like either 1 of us is going to change it. lets end this disscusion.

I think part of the problem is we are arguing two different things at the same time. Without a doubt in my mind it is worth it to go to a big name school as in prestige not size of the student body. There are many scholarships available for students who can't afford it and you get a better quality of education IMO. Most of those school also happen to be large schools population wise. I think a lot of people are needless put off from these schools because of fears of all the crap you've been saying. A large school might not be for everyone but a lot of the reasons people give are simply not true. I'm not saying that it's best that everyone go to the biggest school population wise but if you have the opportunity to attend a selective/big name school like GA Tech or UGA you should do it IMO.

[C22H19N3O4]

You can CLEARLY tell ECHO never went to college. IF he did, he dropped out and is speaking from the vantage point of a hapless fry cook. No offense to fry cooks.

I remember he said he was working on his masters a few months ago, but now he is pointing out that a college education is worthless.

I believe he works as a janitor and/or server. Read his past posts where he's looking for jobs. This is a guy who thinks GSU has a pharmacy school.

He and Laurence Fishburne won't be winning any local spelling bees in the foreseeable future.

[{X}Echo419]

You can CLEARLY tell ECHO never went to college. IF he did, he dropped out and is speaking from the vantage point of a hapless fry cook. No offense to fry cooks.

I remember he said he was working on his masters a few months ago, but now he is pointing out that a college education is worthless.

I believe he works as a janitor and/or server. Read his past posts where he's looking for jobs. This is a guy who thinks GSU has a pharmacy school.

He and Laurence Fishburne won't be winning any local spelling bees in the foreseeable future.

me looking for a job here? you've been in that nail salon to long pal. those fumes will fry your brane.
and just when did I say GSU had a pharmacy school? open your eyes charlie. I said the girls @ GSU "want to be pharmacists" so they go there and major in chem and bio.

Dont matter if you have a degree or not. All in life is how hard and "SMART" you work.
I know more people with degrees that do something else then I know that stick to there degree, is crazy and a waste of time in my book.

we can debate this all day but what Julio said pretty much sums it up.
^that was my point he boy^

you seem to think you know alot about my posts. why is that? hmmm. ladies and gentelmen it appears that I have a stalker.

[Julio]

wow.. this shit went down left field. lol

[C22H19N3O4]

you seem to think you know alot about my posts. why is that? hmmm. ladies and gentelmen it appears that I have a stalker.

I tend to remember the mentally deficient from this forum. The top two would be you and Tasuki Civic. Obviously you are waaay ahead.


http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=59157

I believe you are looking for a job in that post. If you had a REAL degree you wouldn't have to re-enact Tom Cruise's role in Cocktail.
Come on, tell me why you are seeking a masters if you don't believe in the value of a college degree.

[C22H19N3O4]

wow.. this shit went down left field. lol

It happens when I have 7 days off.

[{X}Echo419]

I tend to remember the mentally deficient from this forum. The top two would be you and Tasuki Civic. Obviously you are waaay ahead.


http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=59157

I believe you are looking for a job in that post. If you had a REAL degree you wouldn't have to re-enact Tom Cruise's role in Cocktail.
Come on, tell me why you are seeking a masters if you don't believe in the value of a college degree.

so, me looking for a 2nd job to make some extra cash "while in school" means what?

I didn't say that I don't believe in the value of a degree. from the way the guy that started the thread it seemed like he wasn't to big on going to school so I told him basically not to get in to deep if he decides it's not for him.

[AWD OWNZ U]

So I had an interview with Lockheed Martin today. After introductions the first thing the guy says to me is "So Michigan huh? Wow. You hit all the top aerospace schools. So you are guys are doing pretty good this year." At which point we proceeded to talk about Michigan and Ga Tech football for a couple minutes. Just like I said man...