that was a better and more valid point that this lame sorry ass excuse for a rebuttal you just postedOriginally Posted by Hulud
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that was a better and more valid point that this lame sorry ass excuse for a rebuttal you just postedthats all you got?
your point?that was a better and more valid point that this lame sorry ass excuse for a rebuttal you just posted
Val for President
that u my friend, are a fucking moronyour point?
orly?that u my friend, are a fucking moron
Val for President
fo sho w/o a doubt
same thing applies to the female to. She knows that She can get pregnant if She has sex and She know She would have to decide on an abortion or not. so IMHO She is just if not more guilty than the man for "sticking his dick in her"
besides; would you tell your friends, "Dude I would have nailed her but she might have gotten pregnant and sued me for child support."? I doubt it. they would think you're gehy.
The bottom line is, women CHOOSE who they want to have a kid by. The "100% I WOULD NOT HAVE AN ABORTION" women are scared to take my "test" and imagine getting prego by every man they have been with... b/c they KNOW there are some on the list that they would simply NOT have a baby by. I think most women do what is CONVENIENT for them based on emotions... but try to get all righteous when the subject is brought up. The sad fact is that there are "booty-call babies" out there... and "I could never abort" IN MY OPINION is a sorry excuse to have a whole new life brought into this world under those pretenses.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
no shit, that's obvious, but sadly for men, the baby comes out of the females body. at this point, she has the final say, plain and simple. i really don't understand what more u have to argue?same thing applies to the female to. She knows that She can get pregnant if She has sex and She know She would have to decide on an abortion or not. so IMHO She is just if not more guilty than the man for "sticking his dick in her"
irrelevant.
agreed.
you should read my 1st post. I'm not arguing whether abortion is right or wrong.
but if both parties are responsible like you agree above than both should have the same rights. seeing how the man cannot Force an abortion he should be able to chose whether or not to be in that childs life. be it emotionally or Financially.
yes i realize you're not arguing on the right/wrong of abortions, but you're arguing about how a man should have some say as to whether or not a child is aborted or not. and i've been saying that as long as babies continue to come out of a women's body and not a man's body (which is something i don't see changing anytime soon), then they will still be the ULTIMATE decision maker has to if a baby is born or not.
my point is if he does not want the baby(and both parties ARE responsible for conception) he should be able to "abort" financial responsibility and walk away. since the woman CAN do that.
Not that I would ever do that. I just think it's fare. this would also help check the gold diggers.
I didn't know if anyone had brought up exactly how abortion was done in this thread, but I thought I would give just an example of one way abortion is done... and the other ways are pretty much just as graphic... regardless of how early you do an abortion the heart starts to beat very soon after the baby starts to develop. Men seem to speak a lot easier on this subject than women, but it's not YOUR body being probed into - you just don't want the responsibilities and have to dish out child support. The only time I would even consider abortion to be somewhat ok is if it was causing the mother complications that could put her and the baby's life in jeopardy or a rape (and i've even read where some rape victims have kept their children and don't regret it) It seems it would be 10 million times easier to carry a child full term and give it to a willing family that can't have children than to do something like this:
This abortion is also used on mid and late term babies, from 4 to 9 months gestation. Ultrasound is used to identify how the unborn baby is facing in the womb. The abortionist inserts forceps through the cervical canal into the uterus and grasps one of the baby’s legs, positioning the baby feet first, face down (breech position). The child’s body is then pulled out of the birth canal except for the head which is too large to pass through the cervix. The baby is alive, and probably kicking and flailing his legs and arms. The abortionist hooks his fingers over the baby’s shoulders, holding the woman’s cervix away from the baby’s neck. He then jams blunt tipped surgical scissors into the base of the skull and spreads the tips apart to enlarge the wound. A suction catheter is inserted into the baby’s skull and the brain is sucked out. The skull collapses and the baby’s head passes easily through the cervix.
I have seen all the abortion vids out there, thats why I believe that abortion after the 5th or 6th month should not be allowed. I am still pro choice on the subject though.
death is not easy, same thing with life
Last edited by TIGERJC; 07-19-2006 at 07:55 PM.
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PLUS 150MILLION! Smartest shit in this thread!
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
hell yeah it is ok need to do something we gonna end up like japan. With all the little sluts running around with like 10 kids.... Bitch after the first one you knew you was fertile so keep your damn legs closed
"I remember the first time I had sex – I kept the receipt."
well said, and yeah, even being prochoice i believe aborting later than 5 months is just cruel (unless it's necessary to save the life of the mother).
but if there is a baby that is conceived in a womens womb-it has seperate DNA and is a seperate person which can not be owned
if you kill him/her-that is murder in my book
its a human being -we're not talkin about just some "tissue" here
remember Lacey Peterson-her husband Scott murder her and his unborn child-guess what-found guilty on 2 counts of murder
once a baby is conceived-thats a human being
exactly!
poor peterson, sounds like he really got screwed by the system getting 2 life sentences instead of 1
see to me that's just an exception of the law, like the same kind of exception that gets made when certain juveniles get tried as an adult for a crime.
so lacy was nine months right.. or right about there.. wayner you think its ok that the baby was killed as well? he commited TWO murders.. that baby was about to be born.. and if i am remembering correctly.. the UNBORN baby was cut out of her stomach.. unless she delivered then he killed her.. i cant remember all the details..
but thats really fucked up if you think thats ok..
edit.. re-reading that i think you were making a joke about the life sentences.. so my bad.. but yea here is a good example of why i believe in capital punishment!
thnx for rereading and seeing it was more about the law and crime than about abortion. cuz truth is, him killing her and the baby really does not pertain to the discussion of abortion too much. it was a sick and unwarranted act and was beyond cruel, but really doesn't play much into the abortion discussion.
I got an email from my aunt in PR just this morning that goes along with this topic. My disclaimer: I have not verified any of this information, but know one of them is true for sure.
__________________________________________________ ___________
2 Questions:
1. If you knew of a pregnant woman that had syphillis, had 7 children, 3 which were deaf, 2 were blind, and 1 that was retarded....would you advice her to abort?
2. You have the opportunity to vote for a global leader. Your choices are:
Candidate A: Has been associated with corrupt politicians, consults astrologers, has 2 lovers (1 of which he allegedly beat), smokes and drinks between 8-10 Martinis per day.
Candidate B: Has been fired from his job 2x, sleeps until noon, smoked drugs while in college, drinks whisky every night, is obese, and is known for his bad temper and aggresiveness.
Candidate C: War hero, vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks only occasionally, doesn't have extramarital affairs, respects women, loves animals, and is very reserved.
Which one would you vote for?
__________________________________________________ ______________
-If you answered "YES" to the pregnant woman aborting the child: You just aborted Ludwig Van Beethoven, one of the world's most prolific composers.
-Voting:
Candidate A: Franklin D. Roosevelt
Candidate B: Winston Churchill
Candidate C: Adolf Hitler
__________________________________________________ ______________
Interesting isn't it? Even if it's not 100% correct (I'm sure someone is going to google this to find out), it makes you stop and think for a minute how things should not be JUDGED at face value.
It has been said that Noah's Ark was built by amateurs and the Titanic by professionals......
^^^old, and not sure that it proves anything? lots of serial killers led very average/normal lives, take that BTK guy they just nabbed after all these yrs.
I'm not trying to sway anyone one way or the other. As I said before, I'll go to support and help anyone regardless of their decision.
I'm just putting stuff out there to let people think about situations from a different angle, maybe a point of view they didn't see before.
that aint gonna happen on IA, most people think their view is right on everything and wont accept anothers view
Val for President
^^^coming from hulud that's really funny.....
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