Duly noted.Originally Posted by Big J
You proved my point. The U.N. is about as useful and fair as the IRS is to each and everyone of us. So why in the world would we want to follow or worse....be TOLD/DICTATED what to do by an organization like that? Name ONE thing that the U.N. GIVES the U.S. that the U.S. couldn't get on it's own.As for permission, we don't have to wait or be granted permission for anything, but we are, as agreed apon as a condition of membership, subject to the power of sanction, blockade, or military action, ect. as decreed by the UN (not that they'd ever actually do anything)
The U.N. "sanctions" are only as good as the countries that are willing to follow. Much like laws are only really followed by law abiding citizens and criminals wipe their hind quarters with them. Same with U.N. sanctions and actions (or lack thereof actually). Financial burdens or slaps on the wrists do absolutely nothing to tyrants and extremists hell bent on their own agenda. So sometimes force needs to be met with force, if for nothing else to prevent even worse tyrants and extremists from thinking they too can do it only better.
YOU as an EMT and public servant should know this fact first hand. How many policemen do you know that were there when a crime OCCURED? How many EMT's happen to be there when an accident happened? They do their job to pick up the pieces AFTER something happens 99.9% of the time, right? So therefore WHO should be vigilant and responsible as FIRST LINE of DEFENSE 100% of the time????? OURSELVES. The same idea should be in place for our country and it's well being. Why should we depend on the U.N. or anyone else to determine when and how we see fit to defend ourselves, be it pre-emptive or be it provoked or be it well deserved???? That's like saying that you don't want to put an alarm in your house or car because you KNOW the police will make sure nothing ever happens to you. How could they? It's impossible 99.9% of the time. Same with the U.N.
See above.It is not OUR best intrests they work to protect, it is the collectives best intrest. Just because we don't get our way doesn't give us a reason to cry about it.
Since when is the U.N. looking out for OUR best interest? NEVER. We absolutely have every right to look out for ourselves.
The U.N. WAS consulted and even asked for permission BEFORE launching the first troop to Iraq. They BS'd around and sided with chicken shit French, Germans, and their own politically correct interests. The U.S. THEN decided, "hey, you're not going to look out for us, we'll do it ourselves....". End of discussion.
Anyone that has WORKING eyes.....Who says Ray's method of chosing paint is wrong.
Even best friends can and do disagree. Does that mean they're no longer best friends? Maybe. Maybe not. Point is that you don't have to agree just to be a pacifist and take the easy way out. Sometimes you have to take a stand, and our security is just as good a reason IMO as any. We've fought for far less before and never heard anywhere near as much for it.
Exactly. Once again you've proven my point again. WHY do we NEED the U.N. if it is going to fight us tooth and nail everytime we go to it for something?What you fail to realize is UN peacekeepers die as the result of UN action protecting people. The disarmament agreement involved nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, and delivery methods (missles w/ a range greater than 150 miles) NOT most coventional weapons, let's clear that up. The UN is a topic ignored in the US, a body that is misunderstood, discreidited, and belittled. If you had a need for, and they delivered food and water to you you'd probably feel diffrently. OUR need for the UN, is almost nonexistant in any capacity that effects our daily lives, and as such is easily written off by the majority of the American public.
BTW, have you looked at the figures of how much the U.S. gives out in AID every single year? Compare that to the U.N. (which gets it's "aid" from MULTIPLE countries
The U.N. is the Post Office idea of the world....a good idea initially, but far outdated and soon to be unnecessary due to the ever changing world. When we had Axis powers and the Cold War, it was vital to have a neutral and diplomatic avenue to communicate to AVOID world catastrophe of Nuclear War. Now, the U.N. tries to regulate the world the same way eventhough the threats are totally different. Trying to put out a fire by spitting on it. Doesn't work.
If you were a burglar that got a HEADS UP on police coming to your house to find your hidden loot and you buried it in your backyard......does that change the fact that A: you're still a criminal, B: you still stole something, and C: you still have access to it??????That's a question I can't answer, that's a question noone can answer. How much wood would a wood chuck? It's simply a distraction used by you in an attempt to offer a substitution, for the truth, that somehow Sadam wasn't just a good enough reason to go to war but is the reason. He swore to kill me, didn't happen, wasn't worried. The issue is the pretences for this war were false, thay have been proven to be so far. I'm never going to be comfortable with the substitution of that reason for the orginal, or liberating the Iraqi people. So if the reason changes again, are you goint to push it along with this one too?
The world stood by while the inept U.N. tried to "police" and enforce something Iraq VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO back in 1991 (more than a decade ago I remind you). Iraq unilaterally picked what part of that they would follow AFTER. Why is that allowed without so much upheaval, but when the U.S. does what the U.N. SHOULD HAVE DONE years ago.....it's suddenly a big to do????Why isn't there marches, protests, and outcry about the ineptness of the U.N. to make their OWN agreements stick, yet when someone steps in and says, "hey, I'll go and do it...." there's a problem??? :jerkit:
It's this exact mentality that the terrorist community banks on. "We're the little guy in the corner...", "We are in far away lands...", "You're perfectly safe forever...." Ask any of the family members of 9/11 victims if they still feel that way.You seem to think terrorism is a threat that surrounds you. You have a far greater threat of losing some bit of freedom to the war on terror than you do terror itself. If you would gladly give up what was the foundation of this country because some people hate us for what we have and have accomplished, the terrorists had the desired effect.
People here have a similar mentality about crime at home. IF criminals KNEW that there was a HIGH probability their "victims" would have the ability to fight back and possibly reverse the tables.......would they be as quick to try their crime? Absolutely not. Why? Because there are far more weaker and easier targets elsewhere. Why would you roll over and play dead then?
So if you let Iraq do as it pleases, what would stop any other from doing so? This is how world wars get started. Unchecked abuse of power that directly points at eliminating everything and everyone that doesn't agree with you.
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