HB 1238 - The Illegal Immigration Fee Act

[thinkfast®]

The cost of remittances might continue to descend according to a November 2005 report from the Inter-American Development Bank, but Georgia’s undocumented immigrants might also be required to pay more to send money back home starting in 2007.

Last week, the Georgia House of Representatives approved HB 1238 (The Illegal Immigration Fee Act), which would require undocumented immigrants to pay a 5 percent tax on foreign money wire services.

“My constituents have been concerned about the situation of illegal immigrants using the resources of the community in terms of education, health care and other services funded by government,” said Rep. Tom Rice (R-Norcross), chief sponsor of the bill. “There is other legislation aimed at restricting benefits to undocumented individuals. I thought this (HB 1238) would be a different view.”

Although Rice admitted that undocumented individuals do contribute to the local and national economy, he said that this does not mean they are here legally and pay taxes like the rest of the population.

“This is just a way for those people to kind of pay back one way or another,” he said.

Thirteen senators, eight Republicans and three Democrats on the Banking and Finance Committee of the Georgia House of Representatives now have the task of evaluating the bill.

One of them, state Sen. Steen Miles (District 43), who represents areas such as Conyers, said the measure is “patently discriminatory;” adding, “I am opposed to it, and if it reaches the Senate I will vote against it. Immigration issues have to be settled on a federal level.” She declined to comment further on the matter.

MORE OBSTACLES THAN BENEFITS?

A report from the Multilateral Investment Fund revealed that more than 60 percent of U.S. residents send remittances on a regular basis, while another 10 percent do so occasionally.
Two-thirds of those who send remittances do so about once monthly, and newly arrived immigrants send money more frequently. Most money wires average between $200 and $300.

The MIF informed that Western Union and MoneyGram are the most popular agencies used for remittances, noting 70 percent of the population using their services.

A Western Union representative said the company has adopted a policy of cooperating with government agencies and regulations on all levels to ensure that the system keeps functioning and transactions remain secure.

“We appreciate the challenges currently faced by the state of Georgia and others, including a growing need to fund indigent health care. We also recognize the significant efforts of this bill’s sponsors to generate creative solutions to a complicated issue,” the representative said.
After meeting with business owners to discuss the matter, Rice said he realizes they “aren’t jumping up and down with happiness over this proposal” but they recognize their corporate responsibilities. He added that the money regained from the tax would serve to fund medical services for the underserved.

However, the Western Union representative rebutted, “Western Union’s chief concern is that the bill, as it stands today, may create more obstacles than benefits. Western Union and other licensed and regulated means of money transfer play a critical role in our nation’s security. Money transfer businesses are required to monitor transactions, check the names of senders and receivers against government watch lists, and to report suspicious activity,” the representative said.

“Further complication or taxation of money transfer transactions may drive transactions underground to unlicensed and unregulated channels, creating greater risk for consumers and less visibility for government and law enforcement.”

The representative added that remittance services operate within a complicated network of licensees that include supermarkets whose employees are neither government agents nor police officers and have no training regarding the broad range of residency and immigration processing rules in the United States.

“Due to the complicated nature of these programs, requiring customer service representatives to determine at the point of sale whether or not an individual is a legal or illegal resident of the United States is a difficult proposition at best. Western Union believes that establishment of legal residency is a responsibility that lies with law enforcement or other government agencies, not the private sector.”

From another perspective, even though the Georgia Department of Banking and Finance must adopt the legislation if it is passed, Leslie Bechtel, the deputy commissioner for legal and consumer affairs, said there is concern as to how this bill would fit in with already existing legislation on remittances.

“We would have to do a lot more in our examination to ensure that people were complying with this,” Bechtel said. “It would require more resources for us to do that. In addition we don’t know how the money would be collected, but we’ll do whatever the legislature tells us to do.”

Business owners like Eugenio Martinez, the regional manager of the southeastern United States for Bancomercio Inc., a Salvadorian money transfer company that is a subsidiary of Scotiabank of Canada, have opted to set up shop in Georgia and in cities like Charlotte, N.C., due to the size of the local immigrant community. Martinez disagreed with Rice’s stance of the 5 percent fee being reasonable and said the tax is extreme.

“Five percent seems to me to be too high,” Martinez said. “The truth is these people are working, and on a certain level they do contribute to the economy through the sales tax. One way or another they do contribute. These transactions will be made more difficult, and it’s an excessively arbitrary bill that doesn’t resolve the problem.”

Martinez said that the tax could cause people to send smaller remittances, which would cause administrative costs to increase. Creative Hispanics would probably end up getting a friend with legal status to send money for them.

Martinez added that in one of the biggest remittance markets – which includes Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. – only 20 percent of remittances are sent by undocumented immigrants, and therefore, most people who use these services have legal status.

[TIGERJC]

makes no damn sense, they are here illegal so instead of sending them back lets tax thier ass. THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY THE RICH.

What happen to protecting the borders and all that other security bs. The almighty dollar can change anything

[98Impreza234]

yep

[thinkfast®]

makes no damn sense, they are here illegal so instead of sending them back lets tax thier ass. THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY THE RICH.

There is the problem, becuase if you send all these people "back where they came from" the US will crumble. These immigrants aren't going anywhere homey.. whether or not they want to learn the customs, the language, thats a seperate issue.. and there is plenty of opposition for laws like these, and all this is doing is wasting time and money, I mean honestly, how many people in these wire transfer places are illegal?

[TIGERJC]

There is the problem, becuase if you send all these people "back where they came from" the US will crumble. These immigrants aren't going anywhere homey.. whether or not they want to learn the customs, the language, thats a seperate issue.. and there is plenty of opposition for laws like these, and all this is doing is wasting time and money, I mean honestly, how many people in these wire transfer places are illegal?

i know. If it wasnt so hard to become a damn citzen, less ppl would be jumping the borders. ppl would rather take the time needed for the paperwork to go through. This country needs immigrants for its survival.

[CopyRight]

There is the problem, becuase if you send all these people "back where they came from" the US will crumble. These immigrants aren't going anywhere homey.. whether or not they want to learn the customs, the language, thats a seperate issue.. and there is plenty of opposition for laws like these, and all this is doing is wasting time and money, I mean honestly, how many people in these wire transfer places are illegal?

I'd like you to explain on how the US will crumble.


I think you are exaggerating a bit much.

What will ultimatly happen is, the hard labor force will dimminsh quickly, all the jobs that are back breaking and no one wants will open up and shit will be a mess, but no matter what, we as humans will figure something out, it will be a "inconvience" for a short time, but not anything earth shattering.

You are thinking like the Air Traffic controllers back in the 80's, they thought they owned the skies and airports would be helpless without them and they demanded more money. What happened? Regan fired all their ass's and replaced them with Military for a few months until they hire all new air traffic controllers.

The US would not "crumble" in any way.

The way I see it is, if they are here and working hard, fine. It takes more money to deport them, so why not ID them and get them registered and tax them, like the rest of the american work force. I mean, they are basically working tax free at this point, so get them some sort of "work visa" and all job sites who employ immigrants require a work visa and no more cash payments....

[Neke01]

I'll tell you how it will crumble...

You won't have a house to live 'cause there won't be laborers to build it, your office won't be clean because there won't be enough people to clean it, you won't have fruits/vegetables to eat because you won't have pickers, etc, etc, etc....

Btw, it will be an "inconvenience" for a short while? Do you remember when we had to close Wall Street for 4 days and then it took years to get back to normal? Imagine if all the aforementioned industries suffered such a great loss at the same time. This is not a small issue, there are huge repercussions to this.

And btw, comparing 13,000 flight controllers, to MILLIONS of illegal inmigrants... I'm just not making that jump....

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[CopyRight]

I'll tell you how it will crumble...

You won't have a house to live 'cause there won't be laborers to build it, your office won't be clean because there won't be enough people to clean it, you won't have fruits/vegetables to eat because you won't have pickers, etc, etc, etc....

Btw, it will be an "inconvenience" for a short while? Do you remember when we had to close Wall Street for 4 days and then it took years to get back to normal? Imagine if all the aforementioned industries suffered such a great loss at the same time. This is not a small issue, there are huge repercussions to this.

And btw, comparing 13,000 flight controllers, to MILLIONS of illegal inmigrants... I'm just not making that jump....

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Well, I'm glad the housing market is actually starting to show signs of slowing. Everything you stated are things that can still be accomplished, you are actually telling me that immigrants are the only people who can build houses, clean offices, and pick fruits and vegetables? They are doing it because it's simply the job that no one wants to do, some American's say they are too proud or too good to do such work. Those are lazy people. BUT, there are PLENTY of American's that know how to work hard and raise kids to do the same. Out in the Midwest, I dont see any illegal immigrants working the fields or farms....You goto Montana, Idaho,etc, you will see no immigrants working those fields.

Cleaning offices? please do not use that as somekind of reasoning, because that would hardly bring the US to it's knees.

Having a mentality that says the US will fail if illegal immigrants leave is basically a person who has very little hopes for anything. If their is a will, there is a way. People are not just gonna sit there and let the US start falling apart at the seams just because they lost the labor force.

[Nah Mean?]

Just simple Capitalism, that's basically it!

Finding new avenues to draw funds from. Can actually be a way to form a census.

can't see 5% having too much of a detrimental effect!

[Neke01]

They are doing it because it's simply the job that no one wants to do

My point is proven. Oh, and btw, we don't have enough unemployed ppl to take over all the jobs left open by the illegals when they get sent home. So, not only will people not perform these jobs because they don't want to, but even if they all agreed at once to do it, there wouldn't be enough of them.

Btw, NahMean?, realize that it's 5% of what they're sending, and what they are sending is EVERYTHING that they don't absolutely need to survive. Also, realize that many of these people are supporting whole families back home, and 5% is a big hit for them.

Just some more thoughts...

[rickgiblin]

im sorry, but i havent read all of your post... i only read parts and such, but i think that if you want to come to america, you gotta learn the language. i know that my ancestors were not from here but from overseas, but the adapted and learned the lauquage , tradition, and everything to do with america... i think it is unacceptable that we americans should have to learn a different way of life and speaking a different lanquage just to be able to speak with some illagle people. no im not racest or anything like that just before yall say that, but i think its wrong that we gotta adapt to them... why cant they learn OUR "English" lanquage and then be welcomed. yes, there is alot of great illeagle immarants that are over her, but the ones that reall give them a bad name to me is the ones that harass and virbiraly assult me and my girlfriend. sorry, that was off topic, back on... but to me, if you wanna come over here, atleast learn our way of life and lanquage. i was listining to the radio the past few days, and theres almost more spanish radio stations then all r&b, rap, country... basically english speaking stations. if the immigrants keep comming, i think that the usa is gonna become overrun by illeagles. but i might be out of line but thats just where i stand with it. i say that we strengthen the borders and teach the ones that are here already how to conversate with americans in english. well... im just rambilin now. o and sorry about the spelling, that was never my best subject in school

[Neke01]

^^ Hey man, first of all I want to say that this is not a personal attack. Now, here it goes, IF you're still writing like that, and you've gone to school here, how can you expect inmigrants to know english inmediately? Should we have "Training Centers" to hold them while they learn english before we release them into the country?

I'm just saying, most of these inmigrants spend very long hours working to support their families, and even then, there are hundreds of classes all around Atlanta for them to learn english, and they are. Now, we can't expect them to know english perfectly, but, I also don't agree with them forming their own groups and not trying to integrate into society at all. We just have to understand that what we are going through now has been felt by all inmigrant groups that have come to this country. We all know of the Irish, Italian, Polish, Chinese neighborhoods in so many of our cities accross the country. They chose to stick together to support themselves, but eventually they learned the language, acculturized themselves and eventually became a part of the fabric of this country.

That's about the outcome that we can expect from the current groups of inmigrants, they just need time and two or three generations from now, they'll be the ones saying "hey we're americans, we learned the language, etc.. so why are all these (insert other country here) coming here and not speaking english..."

[rickgiblin]

yes, i agree with you ^^^ i do appreciatte the ones that are going to classes and trying to learn our language, cuse i knowits not easy, i think its like the 2nd or 3rd hardest to learn, but if they could just learn how to have a basic conversation, or how to talk when ther on a job so that they can get instructions then that would be great, but as you say... everything takes time. but another problem that i have is that while we have to pay taxes on everything, there getting paid under the table not having to pay any taxes and getting clean strait cash. i think that they should have to pay taxes just like everyone esle here. i think thats what makes me mad about this. why sould they be excluded from having to pay taxes... i mean shure id love not to have to pay taxes, but then it would feal wrong.

[Neke01]

Well, here's the things about taxes. They can't pay them... No social sec #, no income taxes (as far as I know, if someone else knows better, please correct). So, you pose a very good point, unfortunately, we don't have any easy solution that everyone agrees on.

We could just give all of them legal status, and then we could start getting taxes, but you know as well as I do that half of the country wouldn't stand for that. Now, if we were to kick all of them out, the other half of the country would be up in arms. So, we're left with trying to do our best, knowing that these people are in a very precarious economic position and either hating them for it or understanding that everyone needs a little help at some point and dealing with it.

[C22H19N3O4]

LoL...they aren't paying taxes? So when the illegal immigrants purchase a pack of cigs, they aren't paying sales tax? Is there some sort of illegal immigrant sales tax exemption program I'm not aware of? Illegal immigrants bring one thing to this country of utmost importance....MONEY. All the cultural and ethnic zeal is secondary. They pump BILLIONS of dollars into our economy that we all benefit from. Next time your standing in line at your campus book store feeling good b/c your HOPE grant money is in your account, thank illegal aliens Jesus Lopez and Dat Chin Nguyen for buying all those lottery tickets. Wonder why Bush never really addressed the border issue? You guessed it...money. Illegal immigrants with fake SSN's still pay federal, state, and medicare taxes. Those getting paid under the table still spend money that furthers our economy by providing jobs and profit for businesses. It's a lucrative cycle that no politican wants to disrupt. Now, the stress illegal immigrants have put on our healthcare and educational systems is another story. Why are people so concerned with such trivial matters like immigration? We need to be more concerned that our country is imploding. Let's focus on why Curling is still a part of the Winter Olympics, or why EVERY senior citizen in the metro area lives in Dunwoody. Last but not least, why anyone would pay money to watch Kid Rock have sex.

[CopyRight]

I'm curious on how they pump billions into our economy? 90% of them work hard as hell and send money back to their homeland to feed and fund their families there. I'm not just talking about Mexicans. There are plenty of illegal Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, who are illegal as well. I know in the asian community of illegals, almost 95% of what they make goes back home to either fund their way over to the US or to just keep the family afloat. I'll be honest with you too, when I go into QuikTrip in the mornings and afternoons, I dont see too many Mexicans buying that pack of "ciggarettes" you were talking about, mostly food and drink. So the only way they are helping students is when they buy lotto tickets. To also add to that fact, I dont really see that many spanish people who do smoke. In all the neighborhoods I have lived in, which were always new developments, I never once saw any of them smoking....drinking...yes, smoking...no.

The reason Bush didn't bring up border security, is because.....there's nothing he can do. They've already thrown money into the program, I know you've all seen the new commericals they have on prime time TV now. They've also done pay increases to make the job a little more appetizing. President Bush is not going to publically talk about something that is not doing so well at the moment, if you watched the State of the Union address, he only talked about things that were or will be successful.

Bottom line is, if they are working and not a burden to society, let them stay, but get them somekind of temporary visa, so they can have driver licenses, and some kind of social security number so they can pay property taxes and automobile taxes just like everyone else. We all know you see a ratty ass Chevy van with 20 people stuffed inside and has a cardboard sign that says "TAG APPLIED FOR" that it's probably not true. You also know these homes with 3-4 families living in it, it doesnt have to be that way, they should be able to have their own homes as well. Doing this can only pump more money into our economy. So I dont see how it can be bad at all.

[thinkfast®]

I'm curious on how they pump billions into our economy? 90% of them work hard as hell and send money back to their homeland to feed and fund their families there. I'm not just talking about Mexicans. There are plenty of illegal Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, who are illegal as well. I know in the asian community of illegals, almost 95% of what they make goes back home to either fund their way over to the US or to just keep the family afloat. I'll be honest with you too, when I go into QuikTrip in the mornings and afternoons, I dont see too many Mexicans buying that pack of "ciggarettes" you were talking about, mostly food and drink. So the only way they are helping students is when they buy lotto tickets. To also add to that fact, I dont really see that many spanish people who do smoke. In all the neighborhoods I have lived in, which were always new developments, I never once saw any of them smoking....drinking...yes, smoking...no.

The reason Bush didn't bring up border security, is because.....there's nothing he can do. They've already thrown money into the program, I know you've all seen the new commericals they have on prime time TV now. They've also done pay increases to make the job a little more appetizing. President Bush is not going to publically talk about something that is not doing so well at the moment, if you watched the State of the Union address, he only talked about things that were or will be successful.

Bottom line is, if they are working and not a burden to society, let them stay, but get them somekind of temporary visa, so they can have driver licenses, and some kind of social security number so they can pay property taxes and automobile taxes just like everyone else. We all know you see a ratty ass Chevy van with 20 people stuffed inside and has a cardboard sign that says "TAG APPLIED FOR" that it's probably not true. You also know these homes with 3-4 families living in it, it doesnt have to be that way, they should be able to have their own homes as well. Doing this can only pump more money into our economy. So I dont see how it can be bad at all.

HAHA why are you focusing on the dumbest points.. “Ive never seen Mexicans smoking but they drink like a mo’fo” I’ve never seen white people cutting their lawn, how bout that? LIRL you are a trip homey… half of my family smokes, you gonna tell them they aren’t Mexican? My Colombian uncle chain smokes like a mo’fo, but he’s never picked up a beer in his life, guess he isn’t Latino either

This isn’t a “pick and choose” type program homey “let the ones that work and want to learn English stay, to hell with the rest” These people aren’t going anywhere, they are only increasing in numbers.. I’m just speaking from experience, there are already parts in the US that are primarily Spanish (been to South Florida lately? How bout Chamblee?) I’m talking more then the people, you have to be bilingual to read the street signs.. those are government issued man, your paying taxes on them!

Oh, and what about the white lady in her beat up Chevy Beretta w/ “#8 FOREVER” and beer cans all on her dash.. can’t we do something about those type of people?? Group them together and keep em in the same place!!

Oops, they are all in Hall County.. my bad

[CopyRight]

HAHA why are you focusing on the dumbest points.. “Ive never seen Mexicans smoking but they drink like a mo’fo” I’ve never seen white people cutting their lawn, how bout that? LIRL you are a trip homey… half of my family smokes, you gonna tell them they aren’t Mexican? My Colombian uncle chain smokes like a mo’fo, but he’s never picked up a beer in his life, guess he isn’t Latino either

This isn’t a “pick and choose” type program homey “let the ones that work and want to learn English stay, to hell with the rest” These people aren’t going anywhere, they are only increasing in numbers.. I’m just speaking from experience, there are already parts in the US that are primarily Spanish (been to South Florida lately? How bout Chamblee?) I’m talking more then the people, you have to be bilingual to read the street signs.. those are government issued man, your paying taxes on them!

Oh, and what about the white lady in her beat up Chevy Beretta w/ “#8 FOREVER” and beer cans all on her dash.. can’t we do something about those type of people?? Group them together and keep em in the same place!!

Oops, they are all in Hall County.. my bad

nah man, you gotta read what pharm teg wrote, he made the point about ciggarrettes, so I was just elaborating on that when he talked about how the illegals are paying for hope scholarship.

When and where did I say to hell with the rest? It's obvious why they are here and working, the jobs and pay in Mexico suck and they want better lives for them and their children. If you start getting some mexican gangs crossing and bringing crime, then those idiots should be deported. Like, if INS rolls up to a job site and half of the guy working are illegal, why waste the time to round them all up, stop the work they were doing and spend the money to deport them? Just process them, like I've said before.

as for the signs you are talking about in Chamblee, those are actually funded by community project partners on making Doraville/Chamblee a better place. Just like those driver license books in Spanish, and all the other languages, are not put out by the dept of DMV, they are done privately by community leaders and then dispersed or placed in the rural areas of non english speaking people.

[C22H19N3O4]

I'm curious on how they pump billions into our economy?

Please, please take a micro or macro econ class. You obviously need it.


Source

Then why not kick out all illegals?
We can’t afford to. “Our economy would tank,” says Theresa Cardinal Brown of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Foreign-born workers provide crucial cheap labor for farming, restaurants, construction, and numerous other industries and small businesses. By driving down costs and boosting profits, illegal immigrants pump about $10 billion into the economy every year—with many cost savings being passed on to consumers. Advocates say it’s also an issue of fundamental humanity: Illegals, they say, are simply hardworking people pursuing the American dream—trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.

The source is just one of many sites stating the same thing.
Copyright, you have the typical uneducated White American male elitist attitude. You think what you see in front of YOU is all that matters. You think your small contributions to this country matter more than that of an immigrant that works 60 hrs a week, while you sit on your ass and armchair quarterback about the state of the economy. Do you really think illegals make money and send it ALL back and NEVER spend a dime here? I bet you do...

[C22H19N3O4]

I'll be honest with you too, when I go into QuikTrip in the mornings and afternoons, I dont see too many Mexicans buying that pack of "ciggarettes" you were talking about, mostly food and drink. So the only way they are helping students is when they buy lotto tickets. To also add to that fact, I dont really see that many spanish people who do smoke. In all the neighborhoods I have lived in, which were always new developments, I never once saw any of them smoking....drinking...yes, smoking...no.

The cig scenario was just a reference on how they DO PAY TAXES. LoL...so they don't pay a sales tax when the buy all that food or beer? The purchases they make fuel the business and allow it to be profitable. Thus, as the business expands it hires more employees, who earn a paycheck and spend money to fuel our economy. How hard is that to understand?

[Neke01]

FTW!

[thinkfast®]

ouch man, pharm Teg is hurtin' em!

He had it laid out before CopyRight knew what the plan was

[Neke01]

One more for the KO


No, but on a serious note, I agree with all your points pharm, glad to have a debater with facts on my side of the argument for once...

[ISAtlanta300]

The cig scenario was just a reference on how they DO PAY TAXES. LoL...so they don't pay a sales tax when the buy all that food or beer? The purchases they make fuel the business and allow it to be profitable. Thus, as the business expands it hires more employees, who earn a paycheck and spend money to fuel our economy. How hard is that to understand?

And not to forget that not only do they pay taxes, they CONSUME as well. Yes that is right. They have to eat so they buy food. They shop for groceries. They buy fuel for their cars. They buy clothes. They even buy homes. All this helps drive the economy and helps local businesses prosper.

[CopyRight]

Pharm_teg, how about I post info on how KKK isn't really a racial gathering? You posted a website link to a "credible" source? Wrong. That's just the liberal media. Just like CNN. Hey, how about I've already taken MACRO and MICRO economics. I understand completely how much money is flowed in from immigrants, but what Thinkfast is saying is if we boot them all, the US will crumble. That is probably one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in my whole life. Of course he's going to think that way, because he is a immigrant himself, and has a strong latino pride.

You guys are in the wrong forum, because it's A CIVIL FORUM, yet you cant' keep your idiotic comments to yourself. Goto the whoreslougne, because none of you can have a "adult" conversation.

I can post over 100 links refering to slavery being right, does that make it true? I am far from a uneducated male. I might not being going to "pharmacy" school, that doesnt mean I am uneducated. You guys need to get off your "immigrants make the world go round" high horse, because it's not true. Granted, they do alot of work and spread their culture, but the US would NOT crumble, as thinkfast keeps stating.

[CopyRight]

since you guys love links so much...here you go.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back1403.html

http://www.immigration-usa.com/george_weissinger.html

http://www.uscourts.gov/ttb/feb05ttb...ers/index.html


and here's a good one.
http://www.freedomalliance.org/view_...e.php?a_id=642


and for the record, none of you are remotely close to "KO"ing anybody.

and just because you guys like using smilies so much.

Pharm_Teg , there's your "SOURCE" and links for your reading pleasure.

Neke , if you are gonna debate, have your OWN material, dont try and play off of others research

Thinkfast , you have yet to bring anything to the table except copy/pasting your thread.

[Neke01]

Why even bother when you're being taught by others? I already gave my two cents (twice at that) and you seemed to skip over them, so I figured I'd let people with more free time waste it on you...

However, since you brought me up, here's some of my own words...

Your first link: Am I really supposed to care that Kentucky has lost 1 electoral vote because of population shifts due to inmigration? Isn't that just what happens when people decide to move to one state instead of another? Populations shifts happen all the time, and it's only natural that the more developed states will grow more rapidly than rural states.

Your second link: You really ought to read it man, 'cause it says that we need a new solution to the problem. And it also mentions that "arresting busboys, landscapers, and cleanup crews should not be part of this strategy. Removing criminal aliens from our prisons, and preventing terrorist activity should be." However, never does it mention anything that you've mentioned.

Third link: Ok, here's the title of it "Court Interpreters Feel Impact of Illegal Immigration Caseload". Now, are you being serious in telling me that this is an issue? Because I look at this and just see an opportunity to hire more people and I believe that is creating jobs. Btw, here's a sample of the other essays available on the same website "Courts need Rental Relief" and "Need for DNA testing taxes courts". So yeah, this sounds like a legitimate source of info.

And your fourth link, my browser doesn't load up Extreme Right Wing websites, but even if it did, I've been taught to believe neither extreme as they will usually obfuscate the truth and manipulate data to their own benefit.

Oh, and by the way, I wasn't playing of anyone else's research, I was expressing my support to them disproving your ideas...

[C22H19N3O4]

That is probably one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in my whole life. Of course he's going to think that way, because he is a immigrant himself, and has a strong latino pride.

I can post over 100 links refering to slavery being right, does that make it true? .

Pharm_teg, how about I post info on how KKK isn't really a racial gathering?

So are you assuming all WASP's share your "theory?" We are stupid immigrants b/c we disagree with you? You do think the word "immigrant" is derogatory? You seem to use plenty of racially motivated comparisons. Why not come out and say, "Howdy, I'm Cleetus and I believe chinks, niggers, spics, and jews are the root of America's problems." That is how you come across with your slavery and KKK references. This is why I labeled you as an uneducated White American Male. They lack the mental capacity to use socially acceptable comparisons, especially in the south.
BTW, the sites you linked are supported by right-wing biggots. What a shocker eh? Only right-wing zealots consider CNN the liberal media. Take a trip back to your alma mater (I will assume a community college) and request a full refund of previously paid tuition.

Hey, how about I've already taken MACRO and MICRO economics. I understand completely how much money is flowed in from immigrants

It's apparent you don't.

You guys need to get off your "immigrants make the world go round" high horse, because it's not true.

Then what does make the world go round? Enlighten us with your David Duke philosophy. I'll make it simple for you:

"...Immigration along with nonwhite birthrates will make white people a minority totally vulnerable to the political, social, and economic will of blacks, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, and Orientals. A social upheaval is now beginning to occur that will be the funeral dirge of the America we love. I shudder to contemplate the future under nonwhite occupation; rapes, murders, robberies multiplied a hundred fold, illiteracy such as in Haiti, medicine such as in Mexico, and tyranny such as in Togoland.
NAAWP News, Issue #24,
signed article by David Duke, April 1983

[chrisdavis]

I think the 5% fee on wire transfers is a terrible idea. It would cause mistrust as, those who are here illegally would be afraid of being discovered and shy away from using it. In the end it would hurt the business owner IMHO. I think that something such as The Fair Tax Act would be a better way to go about making sure that everyone is paying in. As was stated earlier illegals consume, as do citizens, and visitors from abroad. There is also the group of citizens in the U.S. who work under the table and pay no income tax either. Fair Tax would ensure that those people would be paying into the system as well.