Outsourcing/Foreign Countries
i put both these together cause in the pharmacy world the equivilant to outsourcing is getting your drugs in Canada.
a word of advise, dont go into a pharmacy and say oh i usually get my drugs from Canada.
but back on topic whats everyones thoughts on outsourcing or getting your drugs from Canada?
Val for President
dont care about the drug part... but on the outsourcing, it sucks when it comes to tech support.. Both Dell and Linksys have had there tech support outsourced to India, which royally sucks. Between me not being able to understand a word they are saying, and them not understanding me, it's just fucking stupid to save a few bucks that way. /end rant/thread hijack
you see thats the problem right there, people who get their drugs from canada are basically outsourcing, your depleting out jobsOriginally Posted by HyPer50
and then you say its stupid to save a few bucks?
wow
Val for President
I'm saying I don't care about the drug part....because I dont take any prescription meds, not because I go to Canada to get mine lol.
ok
Val for President
And yes, when you try and save a few bucks by outsourcing your tech support to India and thus making your average consumer upset and unable to get a problem fixed, yes it is stupid. wow.
I'm Pro-Outsourcing. When I was in China I was working for an IT company that specialized in web application development. Our HQ and all of our clients are located in the US but our team of 30 developers were in Chengdu, China. We didnt target "The Big 5," we simply developed applications for smaller companies at 1/5th the price. Without outsourcing, a lot of smaller companies would not be able to afford such development and wouldn't grow as well as they could.
I could go on and on but I think you get my point.
no that comment i thought you sere saying its ok to go to canada for drugs
Val for President
no if your gonna go to another fucking country for workers then base your company there and get the fuck out of america
Val for President
Simple thought from a simple mind...no if your gonna go to another fucking country for workers then base your company there and get the fuck out of america
America this America that. What it comes down to is a form of racism. Thats the equivalent of a white family telling their kids to ONLY DATE WITHIN YOUR OWN RACE. I hate to tell you this but this world revolves because we, as a world, work together.
"Oh it puts people out of jobs"... Boo fuckin hoo! You shouldnt have been making 175k a year in the first place. Of course someone is going to do it cheaper. If you want to survive you have to be competitive and that includes pricing.
Here is an example for you. I used to work as an IT recruiter. I would have a job requirement to fill that paid $50 per hour and promised 50+ hours a week. I would call AMERICANS, who normally had very minimal education mind you, offering them a great paying job and they would turn it down because it wasnt enough. Then I would call, lets say for the example, an Indian man, that lives here and more than likely was sporting a Masters Degree, that was more than happy to accept. This would happen day in and day out for me.
How does this apply? Because we Americans are TOO FUCKING SPOILED!
And that sir is MY
how is it racism? if a company is going to be based in the united states it should not go elsewhere to hire cheaper work. the company is based here because of the laws that benefit them that they could not get in say, India
and tell me how its a simple thought and how from one statement you assume i have a simple mind? dont think so high of yourself.
the companies are using our country as a headquarters and abiide by our laws because they dont want to abide by the ones in the 'non-free' world.
ok 175k is rediculous but a lot of people who lose their jobs due to outsourcing arent making 175k. the reason the foreigners will take the job at such a low rate is because their cost of living is much lower than the US"Oh it puts people out of jobs"... Boo fuckin hoo! You shouldnt have been making 175k a year in the first place. Of course someone is going to do it cheaper. If you want to survive you have to be competitive and that includes pricing.
Last edited by Hulud; 01-08-2006 at 05:49 PM.
Val for President
i agree with hulud, 100%. that was really stupid when trying to relate his comment to racism btw.
What laws? Examples please. I've worked in several other countries BESIDES the US and I have not run across anything of that nature... Please be very specific. What you're saying might sound good but back it up with some facts.
Once again, here is where you are wrong.
Legal Aliens (Non U.S. Citizens) are not here working out of their own pocket. Most of the time they work for somebody who pays their work visa (H1B, T1, etc.) and helps them find jobs.
Now, If I am paying this "foreigner" $50 per hour, the company who is paying his visa gets 20-75% of what he makes leaving $12.5-$40 per hour for the person actually working.
So tell me... all of those tax breaks that I assume you are talking about... does that really add up? Do you still think that their cost of living is lower?
However, if you are talking about foreigners outside of the country, if you read carefully, my example was not using someone outside the country.
99% of the time its not individuals who are contracting from outside of the US, its companies.
bankruptcy protection, copyrights/patents, Here is a link with a bunch of government laws regarding business (im sure u know them but you wanted facts)
i dont know what other countries offer
i guess i did not read carefullyOnce again, here is where you are wrong.
Legal Aliens (Non U.S. Citizens) are not here working out of their own pocket. Most of the time they work for somebody who pays their work visa (H1B, T1, etc.) and helps them find jobs.
Now, If I am paying this "foreigner" $50 per hour, the company who is paying his visa gets 20-75% of what he makes leaving $12.5-$40 per hour for the person actually working.
So tell me... all of those tax breaks that I assume you are talking about... does that really add up? Do you still think that their cost of living is lower?
However, if you are talking about foreigners outside of the country, if you read carefully, my example was not using someone outside the country.
99% of the time its not individuals who are contracting from outside of the US, its companies.
but what i have realized is that i am actually talking more about offshore outsourcing rather than just plain old outsourcing
Val for President
Then why make a statement saying that you cant get it in other countries?
because you and i both know whether you want to admit it or not that you wont get the same treatment in IRAN as you would in America, if you're a business
Val for President
Oh I completely agree... with Iran...
Other countries are actually quite helpful for companies. They way they see it, I'm bringing jobs to their country.
In fact, China offers extreme tax breaks for having 10, 20, 30 Chinese employees. They have so many people and not enough jobs.
Small companies in the US that need development dont have enough money to get it done in the US.
Its a win win situation.
but why dont they base the company in china if they are goin to employ chinese citizens?
Val for President
*rolls up the newspaper and smacks Hulud on the head* No, bad Hulud, bad.
Stupid questions warrant smackage.
Blame it on the FDA actually for putting the drugs on the schedule list.Actually it's a good idea what they are doing since some of the drugs even though it's illegal are still being abused.
You don't know how STRONG you are until being strong is the only
CHOICE you have!
'Born Ready!',LJ
hey now that hurt motherfucker! lol*rolls up the newspaper and smacks Hulud on the head* No, bad Hulud, bad.
Stupid questions warrant smackage.
Val for President
no its not the FDA, its the "SPOILED AMERICANS" as Pher put it
which is true, the reason drugs are so expensive in america is because america is SUE happy
Val for President
i think outsourcing is problem in the us, not a week goes by i don't have to talk to some dipshit in india that can't speak english, now what the best part is they give them american names so they can trick dumbasses into thinking they are talking to an american....
the problem is health cost and taxes... it cost too much to have employees in the US. they need more incentives and tax breaks for companies to keep their jobs here... now another problem is $$$ americans are spoiled and lazy - they think they are owed something b/c they live in the great USA, life isn't handed to you on a platter unless you are living the SILVER SPOON dreams, so get up off your ass finish school and work hard.
those are my views.
^indeed^
basically stupid people make life harder on the rest of us
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