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    SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court refused to stay the execution Monday of convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, clearing the way for him to die by injection shortly after midnight.

    The high court was the former gang leader's last chance to avoid death by injection after California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied him clemency earlier Monday and a federal appeals court panel rejected a request to stay his execution.

    Williams, who co-founded the Crips street gang in Los Angeles, is scheduled to die at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday (3:01 a.m. ET) at San Quentin State Prison, near San Francisco.

    Civil rights leader Jesse Jackson, who met with Williams earlier in the day, criticized Schwarzenegger for deciding not to spare Williams.

    Jackson said Williams, who was convicted of killing four people in two 1979 robberies in Los Angeles, had earned clemency and that Schwarzenegger's decision was about "making politicians look tough, but that does not make it right."

    Lora Owens, the stepmother of one of the men Williams was convicted of killing, said she felt "justice is going to be done tonight."

    "I had faith that when Governor Arnold looked at the facts of the case that he was going to decide not to do clemency," said Owens, whose 26-year-old stepson, Albert Owens, was shot to death in a February 1979 convenience store holdup in Los Angeles.

    "I don't like it being said it's a political decision. It was an evidence decision."

    A jury convicted Williams of killing Owns by shooting him twice in the back with a 12-gauge shotgun while the victim was face down on the floor.

    The jury also convicted him of shooting and killing an immigrant couple and their 41-year-old daughter less than two weeks later while stealing less than $100 cash from their motel.

    Both cases were handled in a single trial. Williams was sentenced to death in 1981.

    Schwarzenegger announced his decision not to commute Williams' sentence to life in prison without parole shortly after a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in San Francisco, rejected an affidavit from the convict's lawyers that suggested someone framed him.

    California's Supreme Court rejected an emergency request to stay the execution on Sunday.

    In their appeal to the 9th Circuit, his attorneys pinned their hopes on the declaration of a new witness -- Gordon Bradbury von Ellerman -- a jail trusty detained with Williams in the Los Angeles County Jail from 1979 to 1980.

    In the affidavit, von Ellerman said he was the cellmate of another trusty, identified as George "Roger" Oglesby.

    Von Ellerman said Los Angeles Sheriff's Department personnel provided Oglesby with documents to aid him in testifying against Williams in return for reduced or dropped charges.

    "I was personally aware that Los Angeles Sheriff's Department personnel would often provide information to these inmates so that they could help frame defendants for crimes," he said in the statement.

    A statement from Schwarzenegger read: "The possible irregularities in Williams' trial have been thoroughly and carefully reviewed by the courts, and there is no reason to disturb the judicial decisions that uphold the jury's decisions that he is guilty of these four murders and should pay with his life."

    Williams, who would be 52 on December 29, spent part of Monday with his attorneys and family members at San Quentin.

    As Williams was being moved to a holding cell next to the death chamber Monday evening, his lead attorney, John Harris, said the convict was "at peace."

    But his lawyers have renewed their request for clemency to Schwarzenegger, citing the statements of three new witnesses Harris said could provide exculpatory evidence.

    "He's at peace, but we're fighting, and he knows it," Harris said.

    A crowd of protesters had begun to gather outside the gates of San Quentin early Monday evening. One demonstrator carried a sign that read, "Don't kill in my name."

    While in prison, Williams became an anti-gang crusader, but he has consistently refused to take part in a debriefing with authorities to provide them potentially valuable information about the Crips gangs, said lead prosecutor John Monaghan.

    While maintaining his innocence in the four murders, Williams has denounced gang violence and written children's books with an anti-gang message, donating the proceeds to anti-gang community groups. He said he was trying to prevent young people from making the choices he did.

    Celebrities, teachers and anti-death penalty advocates have spoken on Williams' behalf, but Schwarzenegger questioned the sincerity of Williams' conversion to nonviolence.

    "Stanley Williams insists he is innocent, and that he will not and should not apologize or otherwise atone for the murders of the four victims in this case," the governor wrote.

    "Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption."
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    he did kill four ppl, but might has saved a dozen or so lives. i really cant decide if he should die or live.
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    He killed 4 people.. period.. I dont care what someone does while they are in jail.. He is a murderer.. and therefor he should have the same fate...
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    is he dead yet?
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    No he is schedualed to die at 3:01 Est
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    o ok
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    cmon H, you should know this. he's in San Quentin maaaaan!

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    i wasnt thinkin time change lol
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    Its a done deal
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    I agree with this, he didnt deserve it. I mean if it takes you to kill 4 people in COLD blood, to then go to prison for the rest of your life, to realize what you did was wrong doesnt mean you deserve to put the past behind you like that!

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    hmmm, im torn on this one.

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    Not me, He helped to start one of the most violent street gangs in the country which on top of his 4 murders he did himself ( That he was caught doing atleast ) this gang/ and other gangs over the years has been liable for MANY more. He got what was right.
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    agree with the nawz'd one ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by TransAxle
    I agree with this, he didnt deserve it. I mean if it takes you to kill 4 people in COLD blood, to then go to prison for the rest of your life, to realize what you did was wrong doesnt mean you deserve to put the past behind you like that!
    Yeah it is easy to take that stance but if it had been a family member he killed you would change your tone real quick. It's simple. He breaks into your home and kills your mother and father execution style but he should not pay for what he did. You will be happy just to put him in jail so he can think about what he did. Right?

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    Because of what this man started.. those four people are not the only ones who suffered... Countless people around the world have suffered from the gang he started.. It was right..He deserved it..
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    eye for an eye sorry to see a man loose his life but the four people he killed suffered the same fate.

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    all I have to say at this point is i fell for his family
    and a bit of info about the crips they were originaly started to protect to members of the comunity agenst the many gangs fearing people out of property. Only later to have them turn into what they were out to distroy.
    i would have let him rot in a cell by him self only to see the light of day 1 time a week and a guard that watches his cell in a room all by it self.

    if the murders we more along the lines of he was cutting there heads off or takeing fingers or ears for trophies than yeah DEAth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysuprajust8u
    Because of what this man started.. those four people are not the only ones who suffered... Countless people around the world have suffered from the gang he started.. It was right..He deserved it..
    +1 vote.

    hes a murderer, Time does NOT EXCUSE his sins/crimes/etc. While i applaud him for his anti gang feelings toward his end, it does not excuse brutally killing 4 people (that we know of).

    He has NEVER admitted and said he was sorry for the 4 murders.
    He has refused to cooperate with authorities on catching and policing the Crips and other gangs in California

    Sounds like he was just trying to save his own ass in the end.

    and someone tell Jesse Jackson to SHUT THE FUCK UP. If this guy had been WHITE we never would have heard from Jesse, so for him to say "this is all political its wrong", everything he does is RACIST or POLITICAL. i reallu hope someone beats the living shit out of him soon.
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    i agree he deserved what he did and he did his time and such.
    id atleast give him life in the bing thats almost like death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TransAxle
    I agree with this, he didnt deserve it. I mean if it takes you to kill 4 people in COLD blood, to then go to prison for the rest of your life, to realize what you did was wrong doesnt mean you deserve to put the past behind you like that!
    Crap let me rephrase what i said....

    I agree that he didnt get the clemency, he didnt deserve it. I mean if it took teh man to kill 4 innocent people in cold blood, then go to join for life, with the death penalty to relieaze what he did was wrong, is jsut stupid. No matter how many people he saved, he only saved hte people from what HE started.

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    [QUOTE=vteckiddHe has NEVER admitted and said he was sorry for the 4 murders.
    He has refused to cooperate with authorities on catching and policing the Crips and other gangs in California

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    maybe the reasion he never admitted to the murders is because he truely is innoscent now i dont know if he did or not lust playing the devils avodicate

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllBlackCivic
    would you turn in your firends?
    If he was expecting clemency and TRULY beleived he was in the wrong, hell yes. Remember , the crips NOWADAYS arent the same crips he was apart of 30 years ago. YOu honestly think he knows or has anything to do with the crips today?

    He started a GANG that has been one of the most RUTHLESS and MURDEROUS gangs in history of the USA. He killed 4 people, he deserved to die
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    [QUOTE=vteckiddSounds like he was just trying to save his own ass in the end.

    and someone tell Jesse Jackson to SHUT THE FUCK UP. If this guy had been WHITE we never would have heard from Jesse, so for him to say "this is all political its wrong", everything he does is RACIST or POLITICAL. i reallu hope someone beats the living shit out of him soon.[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by vteckidd
    +1 vote.

    hes a murderer, Time does NOT EXCUSE his sins/crimes/etc. While i applaud him for his anti gang feelings toward his end, it does not excuse brutally killing 4 people (that we know of).

    He has NEVER admitted and said he was sorry for the 4 murders.
    He has refused to cooperate with authorities on catching and policing the Crips and other gangs in California

    Sounds like he was just trying to save his own ass in the end.

    and someone tell Jesse Jackson to SHUT THE FUCK UP. If this guy had been WHITE we never would have heard from Jesse, so for him to say "this is all political its wrong", everything he does is RACIST or POLITICAL. i reallu hope someone beats the living shit out of him soon.
    Quote Originally Posted by vteckidd
    If he was expecting clemency and TRULY beleived he was in the wrong, hell yes. Remember , the crips NOWADAYS arent the same crips he was apart of 30 years ago. YOu honestly think he knows or has anything to do with the crips today?

    He started a GANG that has been one of the most RUTHLESS and MURDEROUS gangs in history of the USA. He killed 4 people, he deserved to die
    i didnt say he did but you look like you just changed something you said .and is it his fault that the gang he co-founded turned into something he did not originaly want it to? and not that im agenst puting someone to death look at the good he did do while sitting in jail. I would likt to think that 20 years of service to help undo what the crips have become whould be enough to condem him for life.

    and my question was not would he turn in his friends it was would you turn in yours. also try to put yourself in a situation like his sitting on death row and surely haveing a gang rdy to kill you if you do turn in your firends.

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    i do not believe in the death penalty in most cases for the fact that our justice system is not perfect. however they had so much evidence and it does not matter how many anti-gang books you write he still didnt show any remorse (not that it would bring the victims back to life)

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    Read the transcripts from the trial, he talked about how one of the victims sounded after he shot him and laughed for 6 minutes about it. He was a burden on the tax payers of California for too long. If you are convicted of murder and are sentenced to death you should be put to death within a year, fuck wasting tax payer's money for 20+ years only to have the same outcome happen that we knew would happen 20 years ago. Our judicial system is flawed but we are too easy on criminals. Child molestor's and rapists should die. You can't cure a child molestor, they are the sickest form of life and should be killed after convicted. Tookie killed 4 people he paid for his crimes with his life and that is that. It was the right thing to do and the death penalty isn't used enough in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEONRACER
    Read the transcripts from the trial, he talked about how one of the victims sounded after he shot him and laughed for 6 minutes about it. He was a burden on the tax payers of California for too long. If you are convicted of murder and are sentenced to death you should be put to death within a year, fuck wasting tax payer's money for 20+ years only to have the same outcome happen that we knew would happen 20 years ago. Our judicial system is flawed but we are too easy on criminals. Child molestor's and rapists should die. You can't cure a child molestor, they are the sickest form of life and should be killed after convicted. Tookie killed 4 people he paid for his crimes with his life and that is that. It was the right thing to do and the death penalty isn't used enough in this country.
    very nicely put i liked all but the very last line but again Very nicely put

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    But some of you guys should see what he has done in his time behind bars. Should he have ever been set free? No. But should have had a chance to try and change more lives? Yes. You have all these people that write books on gang life. Who better to write and teach about it than a gang founder? I know it probably sounds like I'm taking sides because he founded the gang that I was involved with for over 15 years, but I would take that stance for most people. I believe in an eye for an eye, but moreso when the convicted acts like he could give a shit. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vteckidd
    While i applaud him for his anti gang feelings toward his end,
    It wasn't towards the end. He has been that way for a loong time. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllBlackCivic
    and a bit of info about the crips they were originaly started to protect to members of the comunity agenst the many gangs fearing people out of property. Only later to have them turn into what they were out to distroy.
    That's not true. The Crips started out as the Baby Avenues and they were trying to be a subset of the Black Panthers(LA) and help with minor crimes for them. They were actually with Piru until a beef with one turned the Prius away from them and joining a collective set of rival gangs and called themselves Bloods. This happened around 1972. The Crips started out trying to gain more territory, not just protecting the ones they already had. Later, QD.
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    Here is the cold hard truth about gangs. You WILL NOT be able to talk gangs away. You will not be able to council them away. You will not be able to write a book and magically make then vanish. Gangs will be around forever, they have been around forever in one fashion or another. Unfortuantely it is part of human nature, an ugly part but a part. Tookie should of died years ago instead of being a burden to the law abidding citizens of California. We are to easy on criminals, hell they have freedoms and rights still, even after they commit crimes like murder, rape and child molestation. I feel no remorse for him and I will never feel remorse for anyone who commits certain criminal acts. This country is full of pussy ass people who don't want to see a killer die, but it was ok for his victims to die and for him to "change" his life around in prison. Of course he changed his life aorund he was in prison and he had nothing better to do. Tookie was also a king in prison I can assure of that. Someone with his street credibility lived a very good life in prison, as far as prison life goes. He knew the consequences of his actions before he committed them, he chose to take a chance and live that life and now look where he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEONRACER
    but it was ok for his victims to die and for him to "change" his life around in prison.
    No. It isn't ok. But there is nothing wrong with trying to make better what you did wrong. If you want to. If you can keep trying to inspire others to NOT follow the lifestyle you were in, then go for it. If the others don't listen to him, it isn't his fault. He led a lot of people to do violent shit. Why not try to lead them back out?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEONRACER
    Of course he changed his life aorund he was in prison and he had nothing better to do.
    That's not necessarily true. he could have just ran shit and been the same way on the inside, too. He didn't have to put down the flag and write children's books and books to try and help people. Obviously these books were good or he wouldn't have gotten 5 nominations for the Nobel prize. he could have been the same Tookie that ran the streets in prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEONRACER
    Tookie was also a king in prison I can assure of that.
    At first...yes he was. After a minute, though, he stayed away from that shit. He did have a hard time when he renounced gangs from the folks that he inspired to get into the gang in the first place. Kind of like GW sending troops to war and then running away saying the war is wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEONRACER
    He knew the consequences of his actions before he committed them, he chose to take a chance and live that life and now look where he is.
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    the conclusion i came to:
    The man will do more help to society alive, then dead
    he was makin changes, not only to himself but to others behind bars
    okay, 4 families will feel comfort that one man is dead, Tookie's death will take a toll on how many people? i can tell you, alot more then 4 famalies.
    and the " eye for an eye" thing...if that was the case, the whole world will go blind.

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    My opinion on this is Blah. he shouldve been kept alive. Ohwell.
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    Yeah, i agree with both neon and ghost. But you have to think of it this way, you could have 250 million people sign a petition saying to pardon him, but it would only take the 20-30 members of the victims familys to out weigh those 250 million votes. No matter what someone says the victims familys always have the most say. And i go back to saying if it took him killing 4 people in cold blood to realize what he started was wrong, then he deserved to die!

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    I see some of you are living under the myth that Tookie Williams was a reformed, angelic prisoner for decades. Luckily, Boortz has all sorts of interesting snippets on his webpage from time to time:

    In 1981, Williams was caught beating up an other inmate with his fists, and ignored orders to stop. In 1982, Williams refused to an order to line up...and told a guard "you'll get yours boy, I can do anything now because I know what the gunmen will do...one of these days I'll trick you boy." Twice that same year, Tookie attacked guards with chemical substances. In 1984, Tookie was back to beating up another inmate...and didn't stop until a guard fired a warning shot. Also in 1984, Williams was caught making out with a female visitor. He told the guard then "you are looking around too much and that's not your job. I have dusted many officers on the street, one more would not make any difference." Sounds reformed to me. But there's more...1986...he beat up another inmate. 1988..he was stabbed in retaliation for a stabbing he ordered of another inmate. 1991...Tookie was again caught beating up another inmate. Same thing again in 1993.
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    ^^^ Not I. I never said anything about him being a saint from day 1 behind bars. What I did say was that he didn't wait until his last days to "turn things around." He's in jail.....one of the roughest around. Of course he'll be in fights. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
    ^^^ Not I. I never said anything about him being a saint from day 1 behind bars. What I did say was that he didn't wait until his last days to "turn things around." He's in jail.....one of the roughest around. Of course he'll be in fights. Later, QD.
    Do 'fights' include threatening and assaulting guards?
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