so do you think they will eventually just fail

[BanginJimmy]

I love how its always the small guys fault. Damn those unions they weren't a problem 5 years ago.

GM would be very close to a profit if they matched Toyota's wage structure. The Unios quit fighting for the little guy and started working for their own power a long time ago.

Oldmobile division hasn't turned a profit since the late 80's yet they continue with that divison and they continue to make vehicles that americans are not going to rush to the showroom floor to buy.

partly agree, most american small cars are ugly as hell. The larger cars were too expensive to purchase and too expensive to put gas in for a while, but gas prices are going down and most experts that I have read believe that the only thing holding up new car sales now is the uneasiness of the economy, which is equally effecting all auto makers.

I do think because of the bad businees practice they should restructure

I agree, management has been horrid.

and also have talks with the UAW about redoing their union agreement so that they can survive.

Up until about 3 weeks ago the UAW said it would not consider any more consessions, but once support for an auto bailout fell apart they changed their position and said they would consider futher consessions if congress bailed out the Big 3.

The big three were not forced to sign those contracts and I do not see how it is the union fault or the workers why the the big three is failing.

The Big 3 were forced to sign the union contract. The UAW said said the Big 3 would agree to their terms or they would strike. This would shut doen the Big 3 and cause even further losses.

The UAW isnt THE cause for the Big 3 falling apart, but they are a large contributing factor.

[TIGERJC]

The Big 3 were forced to sign the union contract. The UAW said said the Big 3 would agree to their terms or they would strike. This would shut doen the Big 3 and cause even further losses.

The UAW isnt THE cause for the Big 3 falling apart, but they are a large contributing factor.

Nobody can force you to do anything. One option was better than the other