The disaster WAS bush's fault with PROOF

[4dmin]

Right, because wasting hundreds of man-hours and helicopters to take the president and security detail to a region that is woefully un-enforced and rife with wanton violence is a good idea.

Do you people even think before this crap spews out of your fingers onto the keyboard?

really it took how many days to do a fly over there??? are you fucking mad, the president of the USA, is the most powerful man in the world, if it takes him almost a week to get to a disaster area then there is a severe problem. it would be different if he put effort 1st to securing the area, but he has not. i don't know what news you have been watching but shit has been crazy all week. Where is the Commander and chief? playing golf? having lunch??? vacation???

talk about shit spewing from fingers maybe you should wipe the shit from your eyes and take a look. :jerkit:

[malfeas99]

really it took how many days to do a fly over there??? are you fucking mad, the president of the USA, is the most powerful man in the world, if it takes him almost a week to get to a disaster area then there is a severe problem. it would be different if he put effort 1st to securing the area, but he has not. i don't know what news you have been watching but shit has been crazy all week. Where is the Commander and chief? playing golf? having lunch??? vacation???

talk about shit spewing from fingers maybe you should wipe the shit from your eyes and take a look. :jerkit:

You just made my point for me. NO was very unprepared for a disaster of this magnitude. They were not reacting fast enough, or with enough infrastructure, despite the fact that there IS no manpower shortage.

So, that being said, do you think it's a great idea to take the commander in chief and fly him in while everyone doesn't have their shit together? Do you have any idea the kind of manpower and money that go into security measures for him when he goes to a disaster like this? The NG and military has just NOW begun to try to take care of the looter problem, looters who were shooting at police officers.

Yeah, let's fly the prez down there and have him take a little raft trip through the streets.

Look, there are many, many ways to illustrate the failings of this president. Being a retard is not one of them.

[4dmin]

You just made my point for me. NO was very unprepared for a disaster of this magnitude. They were not reacting fast enough, or with enough infrastructure, despite the fact that there IS no manpower shortage.

So, that being said, do you think it's a great idea to take the commander in chief and fly him in while everyone doesn't have their shit together? Do you have any idea the kind of manpower and money that go into security measures for him when he goes to a disaster like this? The NG and military has just NOW begun to try to take care of the looter problem, looters who were shooting at police officers.

Yeah, let's fly the prez down there and have him take a little raft trip through the streets.

Look, there are many, many ways to illustrate the failings of this president. Being a retard is not one of them.

the reason its not secure is b/c Bush has us spread too thin, we are at war w/ 2 countries, and he didn't leave enough balls to defend his own country from mother nature

ya it takes tons of security measures to do a fly over in a gov't helicopter that has bullet proof plating on it. we aren't in iraq, and the citizens aren't using RPGs

E for effort keep the BS coming

[malfeas99]

the reason its not secure is b/c Bush has us spread too thin, we are at war w/ 2 countries, and he didn't leave enough balls to defend his own country from mother nature

ya it takes tons of security measures to do a fly over in a gov't helicopter that has bullet proof plating on it. we aren't in iraq, and the citizens aren't using RPGs

E for effort keep the BS coming

You seem to be under the impression that you are making intellectual headway here.

How does one, exactly, 'defend his own country from mother nature'? Are you seriously this stupid?

Yes, we are at war. No, there is no shortage of manpower. There WAS an unacceptable delay in getting them there, but there is certainly no lack of manpower. There are also provisions against using the military as a law enforcement tool, except under specific circumstances (it is illegal otherwise). They just decided the circumstances existed a couple of days ago.

Ok, genius, now the helicoper's flown in and landed. How do you transport him to affected areas? Is he still in the helicopter when he's surveying the damage? What are the several hundred people necessary to constitute his security detail (from protection to logistics to transportation to communication) doing? Oh, that's right, they're not rescuing people, allowing people like you to complain even more about how things aren't getting done fast enough.

[4dmin]

You seem to be under the impression that you are making intellectual headway here.

How does one, exactly, 'defend his own country from mother nature'? Are you seriously this stupid?

Yes, we are at war. No, there is no shortage of manpower. There WAS an unacceptable delay in getting them there, but there is certainly no lack of manpower. There are also provisions against using the military as a law enforcement tool, except under specific circumstances (it is illegal otherwise). They just decided the circumstances existed a couple of days ago.

Ok, genius, now the helicoper's flown in and landed. How do you transport him to affected areas? Is he still in the helicopter when he's surveying the damage? What are the several hundred people necessary to constitute his security detail (from protection to logistics to transportation to communication) doing? Oh, that's right, they're not rescuing people, allowing people like you to complain even more about how things aren't getting done fast enough.

well they could of defended themselves from mother nature if the gov't put our warnings sooner and made available transportation ready for those need assistance. that wouldn't of been so hard considering we knew about this storm 2 weeks ago, and if the projected path was correct New Orleans already knew they couldn't with stand a catgory 4 hurricane.

wow your 2nd paragraph made sense... we have man power yet there is no man power there??? does that mean we have man power??? well guess what there isn't a shortage of troops... they are all over the globe, just not there...

who said "land"? he just got down there today to even survey... it took all week for him to schedule a flight to survey his own country from the air :jerkit:

[Brett]

^^ He didnt do just a fly over, he is on the ground now looking at damage also

[4dmin]

^^ He didnt do just a fly over, he is on the ground now looking at damage also

MSN.com , GOOGLE.com = a wealth of knowledge... we know that already. its the point it took him all week to get there

[malfeas99]

well they could of defended themselves from mother nature if the gov't put our warnings sooner and made available transportation ready for those need assistance. that wouldn't of been so hard considering we knew about this storm 2 weeks ago, and if the projected path was correct New Orleans already knew they couldn't with stand a catgory 4 hurricane.

Yes, because weather prediction is such an exact science. And how much warning would have been enough? There was a mandatory call to evacuate. These people, by and large, chose to stay for one reason or another, or could not transport themselves out. Either way, all this 'woulda-shoulda-coulda' without ANY basis in reality is a waste of our time and your brain cells. This is the largest rescue effort in american HISTORY, and NOBODY could have predicted that with the data they had available.

wow your 2nd paragraph made sense... we have man power yet there is no man power there??? does that mean we have man power??? well guess what there isn't a shortage of troops... they are all over the globe, just not there...

Wrong again. I'll go ahead and spell it out for you since you, like everyone else spewing garbage on this thread, has serious critical thinking problems.

1) There are plenty of National Guardsman and military personell stateside that have been deployed and activated. There is no shortage stateside, everyone up and down the chain have acknowledged this. They have also acknowledged that the efforts to move these people into situations where they can help have been unacceptable. So manpower isn't the problem, it's infrastructure. Troops are rotated back home all the time. Many of the guardsmen going to NO now just came back from Iraq. I also know quite a few reservists that haven't even been activated. So, your little logical fallacy of 'we can't send people because the're everywhere else' is just plain wrong. The sooner you accept this fact, the less stupid you will be.

2) Up till the last 24 hours, people have been trying to tackle the violence and looting issue as a law enforcement problem. This is ineffective, and it must be treated as a military problem. However, it is expressly illegal to use the US military for law enforcement actions on it's own soil. It is called the Posse Comitatus Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act Certain situations must exist to supercede it, and this is likely why it's taken a handful of days.

who said "land"? he just got down there today to even survey... it took all week for him to schedule a flight to survey his own country from the air :jerkit:

So? Why are you even bothering pounding this point? The region was not safe for the president, the rescue and enforcement efforts were haphazard and disorganized, and he and congress just signed over 10.5 billion in initial relief? I suppose you'd rather have had him pootling around looking at damage or something? What difference does it make? Will having the president there suddenly restore order out of lawlessness? Will it magically make the rescue efforts 5000% more efficient? Please. Irrational, idiotic Bush-bashing is what makes it difficult to address the real, legitimate reasons of his failed presidency. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

[AznTraitor]

So? Why are you even bothering pouding this point? The region was not safe for the president, the rescue and enforcement efforts were haphazard and disorganized, and he and congress just signed over 10.5 billion in initial relief? I suppose you'd rather have had him pootling around looking at damage or something? What difference does it make? Will having the president there suddenly restore order out of lawlessness? Will it magically make the rescue efforts 5000% more efficient?

EXACTLY.
I'd give you more rep, but it wont let me.

[4dmin]

Yes, because weather prediction is such an exact science. And how much warning would have been enough? There was a mandatory call to evacuate. These people, by and large, chose to stay for one reason or another, or could not transport themselves out. Either way, all this 'woulda-shoulda-coulda' without ANY basis in reality is a waste of our time and your brain cells. This is the largest rescue effort in american HISTORY, and NOBODY could have predicted that with the data they had available.



Wrong again. I'll go ahead and spell it out for you since you, like everyone else spewing garbage on this thread, has serious critical thinking problems.

1) There are plenty of National Guardsman and military personell stateside that have been deployed and activated. There is no shortage stateside, everyone up and down the chain have acknowledged this. They have also acknowledged that the efforts to move these people into situations where they can help have been unacceptable. So manpower isn't the problem, it's infrastructure. Troops are rotated back home all the time. Many of the guardsmen going to NO now just came back from Iraq. I also know quite a few reservists that haven't even been activated. So, your little logical fallacy of 'we can't send people because the're everywhere else' is just plain wrong. The sooner you accept this fact, the less stupid you will be.

2) Up till the last 24 hours, people have been trying to tackle the violence and looting issue as a law enforcement problem. This is ineffective, and it must be treated as a military problem. However, it is expressly illegal to use the US military for law enforcement actions on it's own soil. It is called the Posse Comitatus Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act Certain situations must exist to supercede it, and this is likely why it's taken a handful of days.



So? Why are you even bothering pouding this point? The region was not safe for the president, the rescue and enforcement efforts were haphazard and disorganized, and he and congress just signed over 10.5 billion in initial relief? I suppose you'd rather have had him pootling around looking at damage or something? What difference does it make? Will having the president there suddenly restore order out of lawlessness? Will it magically make the rescue efforts 5000% more efficient? Please. Irrational, idiotic Bush-bashing is what makes it difficult to address the real, legitimate reasons of his failed presidency. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

seriously you have to be the dumbest person on the planet... IF TROOPS AREN'T THERE HOW DOES THAT HELP??? the president can send troops to any city at any time he sees fit... you can drag up all of the BS laws you want, but even in 911 we had troops there on day one.

10.5 billion bahhh thats fucking change considering we are paying 1 billion a day in iraq, and again what is money to people who are starving?