WTF is Hillary thinking???
Seriously the ***** needs to just give it up she's turning into the Huckabee of the democeatic party... Its like she doesnt get that its over. She needs the wrap it up box from the Chapelle show. Seriously though why do you think she is even still in the race?
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I think she is trying to convince people otherwise IDK. She did say Rob Kennedy got assisinated in june maybe she's hoping for something...Originally Posted by 0p7!mu5
Even though I'm voting for McCain (gotta keep the white house white), I admire Hitlerys ambition, her drive, her fight. Even while faced with an inevitable defeat she continues pressing on. She aint a quitter. I respect that.
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It will still be white just half.
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The Clintons are obsessed with power and she will do anything to get more than she already has. She is going to do her best to sabotage Obama's run when he does get the official nomination. She can wait 4 yaers before making another bid, she cant wait 8.
If she does that she will be a huge hypocrite, and I will lose all respect I have had for her.
yeah im gettin that destroying obama's run vibe too. like at this point there isnt any way she can take the lead even if florida or michigan were counted if im not mistaken. I have a feeling she isnt goin to drop even if obama makes nominee
1. "Gotta keep the white house white"? Are you ****ting me? What is this, the 1940's? Obama is clearly a highly qualified candidate, his skin color shouldn't matter.
2. The comment that Hillary made about RFK getting shot implies that she acknowledges that her only shot of winning at this point is if some freak disaster puts Obama out of the race. Not quitting is one thing, but failing to realize that it is effectively impossible for you to win is another. At this point, Hillary should be focusing on helping her party defeat the opposing party, but instead, she's proposing "gas tax holidays" as a gimmick to get herself more votes. She's totally ruined her reputation in this campaign, and I seriously doubt that she'll ever have another shot at the white house.
The bottom line is, once again, the main source of political drama comes from Hillary's inability to prioritize. She's busy doing other stuff when she ought to be sucking Bill's ****.
name a single thing in Obama's political, or personal life that makes him "clearly a highly qualified canidate" to hold the office of President.
IMO the only one that has that type of experience would be a vise president as the VP gets all of the same briefings as the president and is 100% awarre of what is going on behind closed doors.
Of the 2 realistic canidates McCain has by far the most experience in all facits of running the US.
only because McCain is old enough to be half of the damn senate's parents and or grandparents. Of course that old bastard has experience but experience hasnt been helpin us very much recently now has it??
lol, you can't be serious - the only thing Obama has experience at is being a poser. He has only been in the senate for 3 years, (2 of which, he has spent on the campaign trail). What were his qualifications again?
Maybe you're referring to the one where he has spent 20 years attending a church listening to his pastor ranting and raving on about "rich white people...keeping the black man down", "G-D america...", and other anti-American/racist ideas. (Google: Reverend Jeremiah Wright)
Or perhaps it's the one where his friends are people such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn of the Weather Underground - which is an american terrorist organization. They actually bombed the pentagon in 1970 i believe, and in 2001 Bill Ayers was quoted as saying "we didn't do enough." saying they should have performed MORE bombings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../04/020358.php
How does one have friends like that and NOT be influenced by them. Barack Obama is a morally corrupt candidate, and will lead this country to ruin. I'm no big fan of McCain (believe me) but he hasn't been linked to Marxists, terrorists, doesn't attend a church that preaches anti-American, racist ideas and hasn't stated that he will sit down with every variety of Third World despot and dictator.
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GOTTA KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE WHITE!
That, my furry little friend, is what I was referring to when I made my statement above. You know, one of those "ha ha" things. Don't get your panties in a twist.
Not that it matters, but Obamas middle name is infact Hussein and his father is Muslim.
...just saying...
your not saying anything. All you are doing is spouting off ignorant and untrue stereotypes.
Hussein is a VERY common arabic name, it means nothing.
My father is technically lutheran, and my mom is Catholic. What does that make me?
Where did I spout off any sterotype? Please, quote me.
Mentioning that his middle name is Hussein and his father is Muslim was a fact. So because I state a fact, I am now ignorant?
I can understand if I said "Don't vote for Obama because he has a towelhead middle name!!"
Like I said, quote me.
..... thats what I thought.
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Don't be so quick to judge. If a person votes against Obama because of thos facts then they have not educated themselves on his policies and/or what he stands for/represents.
lolGOTTA KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE WHITE!
That, my furry little friend, is what I was referring to when I made my statement above. You know, one of those "ha ha" things. Don't get your panties in a twist.
Not that it matters, but Obamas middle name is infact Hussein and his father is Muslim.
...just saying...
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Heres the deal.
First off, OBAMA is a retard. Complete retard. He knows absolutely nothing about politics. He knows nothing about our country.
He said we have 56 states. ARE YOU F***ING KIDDING ME? And this guy is running for president? WTF.
He clearly knows absolutely nothing about health care either because he claims to be able to put everyone on free health care... and lower taxes. WHERE THE F*** does that money come from genius?.... TAXES!!!!!!
I could go on for hours. Literally hours.
Second off. Hillary is a joke. Its a politcal joke. Its got to be. Clinton was a low lying sack of dog crap and so is his wife. Clinton is a feminist ****. She also knows absolutely nothing about the way taxes and health care works. She also is an enviomentalist. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PAY 10 DOLLARS A GALLON FOR GAS? Does that sound like a good idea to you?
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Finally McCain. Yes, McCain is another Bush. Yes the man might be a P.O.W. but you know what, that man knows how to run the god damn military like it should be run and get our boys what they need. Clinton and Obama would **** the soliders over more than they are already being ****ed for. Yes McCain just raise question in my mind of where things might go if he gets elected.
However, atleast theres a chance McCain would do this right. I know for damn sure Obama and Clinton would **** our country up so bad its not even funny.
I seriously think Obama would get assasinated. I think Clinton might have it coming to. The difference is Obama would become a matar. And I for damn sure will not be called a racist for disagreing with the president who would be black. In this day and age, doing that would make me a racist and I am NOT dealing with that **** for 4 years. END OF STORY. GAME OVER.
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Why do you think he cheated back in the day.
All of them suck. Lets see do you want to pay more taxes? vote for a democrat, you want war vote republican? that simple either way you are getting ****ed by blacky,whity or any other skin color. All politicians are ****ing crooks.Fairtax is the best thing that could happen to this country and that will never happen due to greediness in our government. Either way the american people are going to bend over and take it.
Dont be mad that dat *****'z on a killing spree/ beer run/ whatever LOLZ. Whether its hype or truth. He's preaching what we need to hear and its just snowballing. Whether he wins or loses (sadly it may happen) he at least made it that far. No other black/half-black/3/4th black 1/16th/ black or even 1/36th black person has made it as far as he has.
So... when America turns into CA then we will have Asian's or FAGS running America as if it was normal.
CHASE ->>> WHAT MATTERS
For those of you who cling to the experience thing, all you have to do is look to the past and you will find your answer.
James Buchanan - Arguably the most experienced President and he essentially led the country to a Civil War (Loyal to the south and our only GAY.. yes gay president)
Richard Nixon - Probably the most experienced president of our generation and he left the presidency in shame. No explanation needed.
Andrew Johnson - 15 years of experience and pretty much killed Lincoln's legacy. The only other president to be Impeached, we know who the other is.
Now.. lets look at the flip side of that, less experience.. (And yes this is my knowledge not google search, I've become a bit of a historian as of late)
Frankin Roosevelt - One of the least experienced presidents in history, relatively new to politics and the longest serving president ever.. 4 terms and presided during WWII. Nuff said.
Woodrow Wilson
Theodore Roosevelt
Ulysses Grant was very inexperienced and was plagued with corruption but still made history for his efforts.
Lincoln (ironically, a politician from Illinois)
Truman
Jefferson
And Eisenhower.. all relatively new to the executive branch of government.
Kind of strange but.. when I think about it experience seems to have NOTHING to do with what makes a president great but rather how they respond to crisis within their presidency.
Good post +how ever many it's worth nowadays.
Now to add onto this topic, the fact that Hilary wanted to tell us that half of the reason why she is staying in is because Bobby Kennedy was assignated in June. I think she mentioned that because maybe she knows something we don't know
I just wanted to put that out there.
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Yea thanks to gas prices...
CHASE ->>> WHAT MATTERS
FDR also developed programs that would have extended the depression had the war not come along. His New Deal Program was simply taking wealth from those that were smart and re-distributed it to those that were not.
Also FDR ignored most of his staff from the war dept when they warned that japan was going to attack the US and did not put US land forces on alert, Naval forces at sea were alerted to the chance of attack from Jap subs.
More greatness from FDR was the "relocation camps" he approved that were nothing more than concentration camps. No, people werent killed by the thousands there, but people of japanese decent were forcefully taken from
their homes and moved there and their property and posessions were taken away. Some of them even had their property sold off.
Experience in the federal govt is extremely important for an incoming president, but just because someone doesnt have experience doesnt mean they are going to flop either.
Eisenhower didnt have to deal with any major issues during his presidency.
Truman was the most experienced as he served as a wartime VP for over 4 years while FDR was alive.
took the words right out of my mouth
FDR was a SOCIALIST with socialist policies - no wonder he got along so well with Joseph Stalin during the war. While I agree that "experience" in government doesn't necessarily lead to a powerful leader... experience in being one does. Obama has no such experience... at all. His voting record in illinois proves that fact as he voted "not present" more often than not.
-jonathan
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I'm just curious Jonathan, whats his voting record since you know it so well? And how long has Obama been in a political position? Because its longer than just a first term senator.. and longer than Hillary as well.
See, this is why I turned away from conservative views. A lot of people with those beliefs argue with flawed logic and misleading statements rather than facts, I'm giving you FACTS here.
These "Socialist" programs you speak of in theory was not the answer to the Depression and I'll agree that had it not been for the war it probably would have made things work. But in the grand scheme of things the programs were much needed back then but a bit outdated today and need reform.
Nobody is perfect and even the greatest of presidents have made mistakes but again, their legacy is not defined by how they presided but how they responded in the time of crisis. I think FDR did pretty well considering he didn't have a laundry list of experience.
Last edited by tony; 05-27-2008 at 07:19 AM.
Tony, you seem to believe that Obama is a prime candidate; a sort of "diamond in the rough..." Well, to state the FACTS (as you like to quote I see) here is another one:
In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.
In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator.
Sometimes the “present" votes were in line with instructions from Democratic leaders or because he objected to provisions in bills that he might otherwise support. At other times, Mr. Obama voted present on questions that had overwhelming bipartisan support.
Although a present vote is not unusual in Illinois from what I have been able to research, Obama’s use of it can be raised as he tries to distinguish himself as a leader who will take on the tough issues, even if it means telling people the “hard truths” they do not want to hear; which is highly questionable at this point.
Obama’s aides and some allies dispute the characterization that a present vote is tantamount to ducking an issue. They said Mr. Obama cast 4,000 votes in the Illinois Senate and used the present vote to protest bills that he believed had been drafted unconstitutionally or as part of a broader legislative strategy. An examination of Illinois records shows at least 36 times when Mr. Obama was either the only state senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way. In more than 50 votes, he seemed to be acting in concert with other Democrats as part of a strategy.
In my opinion, a "present" vote gives one political cover, especially if they are concerned about an upcoming election. (which he clearly was) In effect, it allows the candidate to take a stand on either side of the isle of a certain issue depending on the national opinion at the time. a true leader takes a stand on his convictions regardless of what the polls say.
All of the current candidates have issues with this - and none are true leaders. Let's please not get into a laundry list of legislation that "my guy or your guy" passed or proposed. If anything, McCain would have the longest list of "positive" bills as he has been in congress longer than the other two candidates combined.
-jonathan
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You've got to be kidding me? Not enough time to respond but I'm laughing at this response, you will defend Bush but pull something out your ass about FDR? Social Security? SEC? Presided over WWII..Civil Rights. My opinion doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but its obvious you're responding just to respond and not really being constructive.
And Truman only had a few months of VP experience when FDR died then he gained the presidency.. before that he was a senator.
Eisenhower was extraordinary for having been a war General but dealing with Communism through diplomacy and peace. Every President after FDR had to deal with Communist China, and N. Korea until the Vietnam War so don't say these presidents did not have something to define their presidency.
Last edited by tony; 05-27-2008 at 06:58 AM.
^^I was talking about rep but who knows, gas prices could've brought that down too, lol.
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like i said time and time again who would let some joe shmoe come off the street work in shop not doing anthing important in the shop tun their car????? why should we let a man/woman that has barely been in the senate and has no legislation or achievements to their names get the most important job in the world??? i hear alot about change and have been to one of obama's speaking rallies the man is an amazing speaker... dont get me wrong but i knew less about the guy than before i seen him speak all i heard was change... change... change kinda got annoying... the fact being i dont know what kinda change he wants....other than raising the capital gains tax, universal health care, the bull$hit bill that will tax all citizens to give to third world countries, and oh yeah change!!!!!
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Write your representatives on the local, state and national level and ask them how hard it is to be revolutionary as a politician, to get one Bill passed that goes against the machine. When you realize that maybe you'll have a better appreciation for what these people do.. and you need to do some research like Jonathan.
McSame's biggest legislative contribution is campaign finance reform..
Last edited by tony; 05-27-2008 at 09:24 AM.
I'm glad to hear that the "keep the white house white" comment was just a joke. I thought it was a serious comment, and I was concerned.
I never said Obama was experienced, I just said he was qualified. He's an intelligent, well educated politician, which is more than we can say for our current president.
If you found a Joe Schmoe that knows nothing about cars, but is really intelligent and passionate about learning how to work on cars, I'd say he'd be worth hiring. He may not know what he's doing right now, but with some help, he has the potential to be a great tuner. Obama has the potential to be a great leader, even if he doesn't already have a lot of experience. Also, someone with experience is someone that has the same mindset as all the other politicians. Perhaps it's time we got some fresh perspective in the white house.
The fact that his middle name is "Hussein" and that he's muslim is about as important (to me) as his eye color and his favorite song. I don't care if his name is Osama Bin Laden and he worships clowns; if he could get us out of Iraq with no adverse effects in a week, I'd vote for him. I'm not saying that Obama can get us out of Iraq in a week, I'm simply saying that anything about him that doesn't directly relate to how effective a president he will be is irrelevant to this discussion.
Lastly, McCain has a crazy-ass pastor too, so go ahead and just toss the whole "crazy pastor" argument out the window.
To add on to that Lincoln knew absolutely nothing about war when he into office but managed to preside over the civil war and took a personal interest in war strategy.
Any employer will take the candidate that is eager to learn rather than the one with experience because more than likely, the one with experience is stuck in their ways.
like i keep saying all obama needs is to get alil more experience under his belt and then he would probally make a great leader..... and tony i do my reasearch and when i talk about legistlative accomplishments i mean what boards does he sit on, what bills did he back to try to push it through the senate, and what did he do to help the country.... that all adds experience and gets recorded for public reasearch... all i can find that he did was that he was more concerned with becoming the presidential candidate than was he a great senator for illinois........ i write my congressman every chance i get but all i get is a damn post card saying thank you for thinking about your congressman and a pin for his re election.... one makes the go eh it takes more that one peon to change a senator's mindset......that is what i am saying about obama i am not a crazy that goes around oh no his middle name is a muslim one, oh no his pastor is racist.... i am wait a sec he hasn't tried to do anything of importance in the senate other than show up and vote.... that is all i am saying and if all the candidates keep moving the way they are i am putting my name on a write in ticket... i was a bob barr supporter but he has gotten me ill about some policies so i am waiting all the way till election day to decide... but i know i am not voting for obama just the fact i don't like his polocies and he doesn't have enough experience for my liking and for the people who think i am racist psst he is half white....
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Legislation he has sponsored or co-sponsored on a national level:
The SAFE Act (Security and Freedom Enhancement ) - The SAFE Act safeguards a number of intrusive Patriot Act powers
Ethics Reform in Illinois - This one isn't on a national level but interrogations have to be taped in Illinois thanks to Obama, even more impressive is how he garnered support from his opposition by going to the Prisons, getting on the ground floor and playing basketball with victims of police brutality.. the Bill passed with not 1 opposing vote.
The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act -
The bill would create an outside ethics commission to receive complaints from the public on alleged ethics violations by members of Congress, staff, and lobbyists.
The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act - The bill would shed light on the almost 16,000 earmarks that were included in spending bills in 2005. Under the bill, all earmarks, including the name of the requestor and a justification for the earmark, would have to be disclosed 72 hours before they could be considered by the full Senate. Senators would be prohibited from advocating for an earmark if they have a financial interest in the project or earmark recipient. And, earmark recipients would have to disclose to an Office of Public Integrity the amount that they have spent on registered lobbyists and the names of those lobbyists.
The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act) - The bill aims to improve public access to information about all legislation, including conference reports and appropriations legislation, in particular after hurried, end-of-session negotiations.
Senator Obama is a cosponsor of the Medicare Informed Choice Act - Which would extend enrollment without penalty until the end of 2006. This bill would also allow all Part D beneficiaries to change their plan once during 2006.
The National MEDiC Act - Which promotes patient safety initiatives, including early disclosure and compensation to patients injured by medical errors.
Hospital Quality Report Card Act - Which will use federal hospital quality reporting requirements to inform and assist patients and other consumers in making their health care decisions.
Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act - Which would leverage the federal government's purchasing power to encourage increased adoption of technology by participating health plan.
Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act - Which calls for collaboration and cooperation at the state, national, and international level to ensure preparedness in the event of pandemic influenza.
Lead Free Toys Act - Requiring the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) to ban any children's product containing lead.
Healthy Communities Act - To identify and address problems in communities that are at high risk from environmental contaminants.
Senator Obama introduced two bills - the Mercury Market Minimization Act (S. 3627) and the Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act (S. 3631) These bills would significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.
Senator Obama successfully passed legislation in the Senate to force the Pentagon to work towards an efficient electronic medical records system that will help ensure better care for our nation's troops.
Comittee's Obama sits on:
Foreign Relations Committee
-African Affairs Subcommittee
-East Asia & Pacific Affairs Subcommittee
-European Affairs (Chairman) Subcommittee
-International Development & Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs & International Environmental Protection Subcommittee
Health, Education, Labor & Pension Committee
-Children & Families Subcommittee
-Employment & Workplace Safety Subcommittee
Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee
-Ad Hoc Committee on State, Local & Private Sector Preparedness & Integration
-Investigations Subcommittee
-Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services & International Security Subcommittee
Veterans’ Affairs Committee
I think it is a bit presumptuous to say that all Obama does is sit in the senate and do nothing. By the way, that isnt even half of the legislation that Obama has proposed.
John Hagee and Rod Parsely retracted their endorsements of John McCain; aside from that fact - there is no comparison to Jeremiah Wright's relationship with Obama. John McCain had met Parsely 3 weeks before he spoke at the event where he endorsed him. And John Hagee's comments were met with immediate denunciation - whereas it took Obama saying that "abandoning Rev. Wright would be to abandon the black community"... three weeks later - he does just that.
The official notes that Rev. Wright married Obama, baptized his children and has served as his spiritual adviser for 20 years, whereas McCain received Parsley’s endorsement at one event and has never attended his service.
-jonathan
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I agree, he can speak and puts on a great facade with it.
Vote McCain in 08.
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I've had post Taco-Bell turds that would be better presidents than McCain.
Barack Obama voted against the USA PATRIOT act and he also voted against the war in Iraq. That alone is enough to get my vote.
Hillary is hanging in there because she has been winning the last few primaries. If she can get close enough to Barack's totals she might win more superdelegates who aren't pledged to any particular candidate. And there are also the uncounted votes from Florida and Michigan.
The "Fair tax" is the dumbest **** ever. So people who spend the majority of their income (all working class Americans) are going to get a monthly refund... how is putting even more people on a monthly government check going to slove any problems?
Also, the "fair tax" is supposed to reduce bureaucracy... but if the gov't has to send out a monthly check instead of a yearly check... how is that going to reduce anything?
In all fairness Barack was not a senator when the Patriot Act and the Authorization to go into Iraq was presented to the senate, he was a part of the filibuster that blocked reauthorization of the Patriot Act.
Dennis Kucinich was the only presidential candidate to vote against the original Patriot Act, Obama was still in the Illinois state senate at the time. He opposed the Iraq war and the Patriot Act.
Yeah, that was what I had meant to say, that he voted against re-authorizing the Patriot Act.
Obama also introduced the Iraq War de-escalation act, so while he may have not voted on the original resolution he has voted consistently on subsequent anti-war legislation.
Kucinich was my first choice... but he was too far left to have had any real chance.
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