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    Relatively low taxes have kept pump prices far below most other developed nations, which some say is precisely why the current runup is so painful.

    Despite daily headlines bemoaning record gas prices, the U.S. is actually one of the cheaper places to fill up in the world.

    Out of 155 countries surveyed, U.S. gas prices were the 45th cheapest, according to a recent study from AIRINC, a research firm that tracks cost of living data.

    The difference is staggering. As of late March, U.S. gas prices averaged $3.45 a gallon. That compares to over $8 a gallon across much of Europe.

    The U.S. has always fought to keep gas prices low, and the current debate among presidential candidates on how to keep them that way has been fierce.

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    But those cheap gas prices - which Americans have gotten used to - mean they feel price spikes like the ones we're experiencing now more acutely than citizens from other nations which have had historically more expensive fuel.

    Cheap gas prices have also lulled Americans into a cycle of buying bigger cars and bigger houses further away from their work - leaving them more exposed to rising prices, some experts say.

    Price comparisons are not all created equal. Comparing gas prices across nations is always difficult. For starters, the AIRINC numbers don't take into account different salaries in different countries, or the different exchange rates. The dollar has lost considerable ground to the euro recently. Because oil is priced in dollars, rising oil prices aren't as hard on people paying with currencies which are stronger than the dollar, as they can essentially buy more oil with their money as the dollar falls in value.

    And then there's the varying distances people drive, the public transportation options available, and the different services people get in exchange for high gas prices. For example, Europe's stronger social safety net, including cheaper health care and higher education, is paid for partly through gas taxes.

    Gas price: It's all about government policy. Gasoline costs roughly the same to make no matter where in the world it's produced, according to John Felmy, chief economist for the American Petroleum Institute. The difference in retail costs, he said, is that some governments subsidize gas while others tax it heavily.

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    Most expensive places to buy gas
    Rank Country Price/gal
    1. Bosnia-Herzegovina $10.86
    2. Eritrea $9.58
    3. Norway $8.73
    4. United Kingdom $8.38
    5. Netherlands $8.37
    6. Monaco $8.31
    7. Iceland $8.28
    8. Belgium $8.22
    9. France $8.07
    10. Germany $7.86
    111. United States $3.45
    Source: AIRINC

    In many oil producing nations gas is absurdly cheap. In Venezuela it's 12 cents a gallon. In Saudi Arabia it's 45.

    The governments there forego the money from selling that oil on the open market - instead using the money to make their people happy and encourage their nations' development.

    Subsidies, many analysts say, are encouraging rampant demand in these countries, pushing up the price of oil worldwide.

    In the U.S., the federal tax on gas is about 18 cents a gallon, pretty low by international standards.

    But those relatively low gas taxes make it hard now for Americans to deal with gas prices that have risen from around $1 to over $3 a gallon in the last seven years.

    "Everybody pays more, but the U.S. pays more in absolute terms," said Lee Shipper, a visiting scholar at the University of California Berkeley's Transportation Center. If you're already paying $4 in taxes, said Schipper, then an extra $2 a gallon isn't that big of a deal.

    Revenues from Europe's high gas taxes are used to fund a variety of things. One thing they have built is better public transportation, said Peter Tertzakian, chief energy economist at ARC Financial, a Calgary-based private equity firm.

    They gave people an alternative to driving, something we don't have in North America," said Tertzakian.

    Low fuel taxes and prices sprung out of a national love for mobility going back generations, said Robert Lang, director of the urban planning think tank Metropolitan Institute at Virginia Tech.

    Cruisin'
    Where gasoline is cheapest
    Rank Country Price/gal
    1. Venezuela 12 cents
    2. Iran 40 cents
    3. Saudi Arabia 45 cents
    4. Libya 50 cents
    5. Swaziland 54 cents
    6. Qatar 73 cents
    7. Bahrain 81 cents
    8. Egypt 89 cents
    9. Kuwait 90 cents
    10. Seychelles 98 cents
    45. United States $3.45
    155 countries surveyed between March 17 and April 1, 2008. Prices not adjusted for cost of living or exchange rates.
    Source: AIRINC

    In fact, the U.S. could not have had the western expansion it did without the cheap mobility railroads and horse carriages afforded long before it became an auto-obsessed culture, said Lang.

    "You couldn't have Manifest Destiny unless you could move," he said.

    The automobile, and its promise of personal mobility, only deepened the nation's love affair with travel.

    "Nobody sang 'She'll have fun fun fun until her daddy takes the tokens away,'" said Lang. 'It's totally romanticized."

    Gas consumption Europe vs. U.S. There is some evidence Europe's high gas taxes have capped its oil consumption.

    Oil use in the United Kingdom has basically stayed flat from 1980 to now, while in France it's dropped 17%, according to figures from the Energy Information Administration.

    In the U.S., meanwhile, oil use is up 21% over the same period, although the country has added more people and seen its economy grow slightly faster.

    Americans have taken advantage of cheap gas prices to do other things - like buy bigger cars and bigger houses further away from city centers, said Schipper.

    On a per capita basis, Americans use three times more oil than Europeans, he said. That means Americans are more exposed to rising gas prices than their counterparts across the Atlantic.

    "Five-thousand square feet in the suburbs, that's much rarer in Europe," said Schipper, referring to big homes. "We dug our hole."
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    I am paying $1.45 right now bwahahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronfelipe
    I am paying $1.45 right now bwahahahahaha

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    I'm surprised that Venezuela has cheaper gas than Iran and other countries in the middle east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redpanda
    I'm surprised that Venezuela has cheaper gas than Iran and other countries in the middle east.
    That's mainly because they don't have a huge dependence like we do on foriegn oils like we do. The cars there mostly run on ethanol, and half of those cars come from here. but their country has an over abundance on sugar cane which their ethanol is based of and can afford to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackshine007
    That's mainly because they don't have a huge dependence like we do on foriegn oils like we do. The cars there mostly run on ethanol, and half of those cars come from here. but their country has an over abundance on sugar cane which their ethanol is based of and can afford to do that.
    Or maybe it's because they produce a huge amount of oil...
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    Well, I guess it could get worse. But I have another car which is doing pretty well on mileage, so I guess I can't complain too much.

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    What the article doesn't seem to mention is that we are actually paying a lot more for the actual gas bit. If you remove all the taxes, we are probably paying more than what most Europeans do. You'd think that gas would be subsidized a little bit for the world's largest consumer.

    Btw, I'm not really sure where they're getting their stats for the middle east from. Last time I was there, gas was 70 halalah (SAR)/litre approx= 70 cents/gal


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    LOL, my home land has the most expensive gas.

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    I was talking about this with my dad the other day... he was saying that America has always had cheap gas, compared to other countries. The reason everyone is saying something is because of the rapid price jump over the last few years. In 2000, when I started driving, I remember you could get gas for $0.79/gal for regular. It does suck that gas prices have gone up so much in the last few years, but then I look at other places, and it makes it a little less painful. Granted, people in Europe do much less driving than Americans (Especially in the southeast it seems) do. But yeah... in the grand scheme of things... our gas is pretty cheap compared to Euro prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xPhantomSilviax
    In 2000, when I started driving, I remember you could get gas for $0.79/gal for regular.
    Your memory fails you. The cheapest gas was in the year 2000 was $1.36/gallon. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    Your memory fails you. The cheapest gas was in the year 2000 was $1.36/gallon. Later, QD.
    Actually I left for the military on Jan 99. I got a report and pictures of a QT in oakwood in Feb of 99 for .69 for about 3 days.

    I also wondered when thigns keep going up because of gas prices. Well lets say we went to a all eletric vehilce system and its cheaper to maintain. Then I wonder what the excuse would be to NOT bring the price of items back down.

    I mean heaven forbid a company takes some of its profit and makes it prices cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_sl74
    Actually I left for the military on Jan 99. I got a report and pictures of a QT in oakwood in Feb of 99 for .69 for about 3 days.
    In 1999, you were probably correct. The year 2000 brought in the biggest gas price hike since the early 80s.

    According to the several websites I looked at, gas shot up a dollar/gallon for 2000. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    In 1999, you were probably correct. The year 2000 brought in the biggest gas price hike since the early 80s.

    According to the several websites I looked at, gas shot up a dollar/gallon for 2000. Later, QD.
    That is true

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    Your memory fails you. The cheapest gas was in the year 2000 was $1.36/gallon. Later, QD.
    Actually in 2002 when the wal-mart moved to Harrison road in Macon,GA.. They had it for .99 for about a week.
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    funny, in the past 8 years gasoline prices has shot up about 300%.

    I own a few shares of exxon moblie, and in the annual shareholders meeting report... they report that they have had record high profits for these past years. And that the salary gap between executives and regular employess has never been so massive. And that most of the extra money goes straight to the top guy's pockets.

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    Thats what Im saying it would be nice if corporate could cut a little profit to make things more afforadable.

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    but we all know oil executives have no soul

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoSquirl
    but we all know oil executives have no soul
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    Your memory fails you. The cheapest gas was in the year 2000 was $1.36/gallon. Later, QD.
    i started driving in 2002 i think. and it was 89¢ i it'd take less than 20 bucks to fill my entire tank.

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