House Bill 89
So I'm sitting at my internship and there's all this buzz going around about this Bill 89. If passed persons who are licensed to own a firearm will be able to carry them in public places, parks, and resturants. A lot of people want Perdue to veto this bill.....what do you think???
"You just handle the justice, and I'll handle the revenge myself."
I think it's absolutely ridiculous for him to veto the bill, hell, it's also stupid for everyone to be lobbying against it, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to be educated.
We can already carry in the majority of the places you eat regularly and it's perfectly legal. The restaurant change has to do with establishments that serve alcohol, and we would/will only be able to carry in restaurants that generate more than 51% of their income from food sales.
Marta, well, GA is one of VERY few states that don't allow carry on public transportation. As far as parks, it's only state parks. We can already carry in local parks, as it's illegal for a county or municipality to initiate any form of gun control beyond that of the state Constitution, it's a legal term known as preemption, and though several places do it, many have been sued over this and lost.
What most people fail to realize about GA's draconian gun laws is that they're NOT derived from safety standpoint. They date back to the era of the Jim Crow laws which were laws enforced to help control blacks in the post Civil War era.
Also, anyone who plans to use a firearm illegally doesn't give a damn whether they're allowed to have it or not, they're just going to have it. We go through hell, and lots of buearocracy and red tape just to be able to LEGALLY protect ourselves, our families, and others in the event of someone posing a serious threat to them, why limit where we can do so?
agreed +1Originally Posted by KPowerEP3
NO NWS
great job, i wish this was common knowledge. But most people lack the brain power to understand. +reps to a fellow GCO member!!
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
i couldn't have said it better myself reps for you
I'm pretty sure that convicted felons and people with criminal records to a cerain degree will not be allowed to license a gun. When i find the source from where I read that, I will post it.
However, that being said. Psychologically thinking... crime rate would most likely DECREASE. The fact that it would be legal to own and carry a gun in public doesnt mean that the majority nor general population would take advantage of this newfound right/privledge. So what, 1 out of 10 people carries a gun (and thats being modest in the numbers).
Think about it. If you're a young punk teen looking to cause some trouble in a store or some ****** that just got out of jail hoping to find their next victim... would you not be more cautious knowing that the guy next to you MAY have a gun and MAY have a legal right to use it in public? Come on now... criminals take advantage of thier surrounding because they know who has a gun and is capable of stopping them and who doesnt/cant. Its obvious. They look for cops. No cops in sight... WOO HOO! Rapeabitch. However, if this bill gets passed its going to be in everyones mind... wondering "Hmm, I wonder if that person has a gun".... criminals will be more cautious, crime will go down.
Just my 10 cents...
LIRL! That is sig material right there!
All I have to say is.....if this bill gets passed the crime rate will increase like crazy. If people can walk around in stores and junk with "legal" guns....there will be twice as many people walking around with illegal guns. We will look back and laugh at today's crime rate. I have yet to see the positives about it....but to each his own.
"You just handle the justice, and I'll handle the revenge myself."
you are crazy. If people are allowed to walk around with LEGAL guns the crime rate will DROP no increase. This has been proven, a prime example is with Washington DC's total gun ban. Crime increased 10x after the criminals knew that no responsible citizen would be carrying a gun to defend themself anymore
alright crime rate will go up bc we will now allow off duty cops carry their personal weapons on them along with a carring permit, the civilians that have went through an extencive background check will be carrying a gun, oh and that girl that got killed in the state park that had a concieled weapons licence would still be alive..... yeah crime rate will go up needless to say i ask this question
IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW TO HAVE A GUN IN A STATE PARK, WHAT STOPED THAT DIRTY OLD PERVERT FROM CARRYING IT IN AND USING IT TO RAPE AND KILL THAT WOMAN? OR WHAT STOPS A GUY FROM RUNNING INTO A STORE WITH A GUN AND ROBBING IT?sorry about the caps
NO NWS
Hmmmm why would the crime rate go up... more than likely it would go down having protection form the criminals. Ask any realy criminal who they are afraid of the police or a civilian? Ill answer this as you know what a police man carries, but do you know what a civilian has on him...? This will make the criminal's think twice about attacking. BTW people are already walking around with them in stores wiith CCW permits as protection of the criminals having illegal fire arms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvV3gr_vinE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RoMq...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RoMq...eature=related
Pay attetion to 3:20-3:33 it supports my above statement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM...eature=related
Look at this... this willl support even more what I wrote ^^^^
1:50-2:15 and 2:33-2:50
Last edited by GSRtegŪ; 05-03-2008 at 02:58 AM.
you are brilliant. See the problem with people like you is you uneducated. We can already legally carry in stores, and do all the time. Along with approximately 80% of restaurants. Its fools like you who think gun control effects criminals.
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
Wow. TRULY unaware of how many guns are around you at any given moment.
alot of people are unaware. Everywhere you go there are people carrying guns. Some people just live the life of blissful ignorance.
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
Please explain the logic in this...
wow, you are retarded. There is a city in Arizona where it is legal for ANYONE to carry w/o a license. You know what the crime rate is in that little town? Its 0. Thats because there is a good chance that the person that is about to get robbed has a gun, so they dont get robbed for fear of being shot.
oh and in response to lizbiz's first post.....Perdue better not veto this bill or you will see an immdiate crime rate increase in atlanta.....as if there is not enough crime.
i think this is a repost and that you're delusional based on your "thoughts" on what might happen if the bill passes.
I say veto. People can go crazy at any moment of any day at any time.
so why not make cars illegal also. We saw what an idiot in a car can do at any time last month on 85.
so your saying you wanna set there and wait for the cops?while somebody shoots up people on the marta train or bus?
I got dinner to goto.
reps to everyone here that has some damn sense
I know rite.To bad they dont know the real reason for gun control.
great thread, lizbiz you're an idiot. sorry.
think she got shot at a restaurant by a crazy concealed weapons licensee?
True...think she got shot at a restaurant by a crazy concealed weapons licensee?
Well tomorrow (Wednesday) is the last day for Sonny to veto, so lets hope all goes well and the rights of GA citizens get expanded to what they should have been.
This bill needs to pass.
I have a GFL and have stopped a crime already happening by just lifting my shirt over my holster and showing that I was armed after some kid tried to break into my car in Fayetteville. I called a LEO and the kid was arrested for attempted robbery.
So being armed and knowing how to use it legally is always a plus.
-SCCA Registered-
That is true
I see it as
more guns on the street = more opportunities to use them
I bet if this pass, then "accidental" shooting will increase.
The only people with these guns would be people who are liscensed to carry them. They have extensive background checks and have been trained on when to use a gun and when not to. There won't be any more guns on the street, just people will be able to carry their legal guns in more places.
UGA: Everybody is laughing at us this year.
Well said reps
I know
But the more you have something around, the more likely you are to use it. Plus, it's plenty of trigger happy people that legally carry guns and the only thing keeping them from using it when not needed is the law. I can see where everyone is coming from, but ultimately I see this doing more harm than good.
If that were the case, then many of these "trigger happy" carriers would have already committed shootings. This would definitely make news because the media would have a field day over this type of stuff. The people who carry guns know exactly how much poop they would be in if they fired their gun in the wrong situation, so they show restraint unless deadly force is needed.
However, I do agree that if you carry a firearm, your BAC should be 0.00, no matter what.
UGA: Everybody is laughing at us this year.
Its better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. The guns will be used, but only to protect and defend ONLY... I highly dought some one is going to ruin there clean record that have CCW permit bc some one talked ****. But you might be right there are people out there that should not have a CCW permit, but that is why the sane ones that do have CCW pemit have it to defend ourselfs when they do snap.
Its better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. The guns will be used, but only to protect and defend ONLY... I highly dought some one is going to ruin there clean record that have CCW permit bc some one talked ****. But you might be right there are people out there that should not have a CCW permit, but that is why the sane ones that do have CCW pemit have it to defend ourselfs when they do snap.
How are you 100% sure about the bold statement?!? What if someone with a clean record just suddenly decides to snap? He can walk anywhere freely with his weapon open and suddenly just start killing people. No one would of expected it out of him. Why? Because everyone walks around like that. That metal detecter that was normally at the door isn't there anymore because there isn't any need for it anymore since we are "protected" now
There are plenty of legal people that shouldn't carry guns, but can you tell the difference between a killer and a person in their right mind when they are both packing? You would be the 1st person begging for justice if someone close to you was hurt in a public location by a "LEGAL carrier" that shouldn't owned a gun to start with.
so why hasn't these "accidental" shootings increased in the states that have already passed such legislation?
not to mention your argument doesn't make sense from the get go. ppl today can already carry on the street, just not in certain places. so you're telling me by allowing them to carry in restaurants (and stipulating they can't drink) as well as public transportation they're all of a sudden going to start shooting each other randomly?
He doesn't get the point man that is all.
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