House Bill 89

[Kamelyn]

First off HB89, has nothing to do with allowing more guns on the street. It actually just expands the locations in which GFL holders can carry.

Meaning if you have a GFL you can carry: at locations that sell alcohol for consumption on the premises (aka bars and restaurants) as long as the person isn't consuming alcohol, state parks (ie. Grant Park, Centennial Park), and Public Transportation (ie. MARTA). Which under current law GFL holders cannot.

This would help protect the people that are legally able to have guns in their possession from being victims in open areas.

How would you feel if you and your family are at the park and a guy comes up and tries to attack you, knowing that you can't carry your gun, but you have a GFL?

I'd feel better knowing that wherever I go I can carry my gun and not feel "naked" without protection against some ol' schmo that wants my money or tries to hurt my family.

By allowing this law to go in affect people like this woman who was attacked in the park would not have happened because she had a GFL and could have protected herself.

[bigdare23]

He doesn't get the point man that is all.

I get the point. You don't get the point. There are two sides to everything, and I'm brilliant enough to see both. There's no reason to defend one side when everyone is already saying the same damn thing. I was just showing you the other viewpoint.

[bigdare23]

I have already answered that of what you speak.

no you didn't

[Kamelyn]

Bigdare23--- read what i wrote above

And if trigger happy GFL holders are the ones you are worried about... Keep this in mind I took the time to get my GFL so if I get pissed off and want to fire a few rounds I just go down to the local gun range and fire off a few without consequence and increase my targetting.

[GSRteg®]

I get the point. You don't get the point. There are two sides to everything, and I'm brilliant enough to see both. There's no reason to defend one side when everyone is already saying the same damn thing. I was just showing you the other viewpoint.

There are two sides of everything no matter what... the question it do you get the main point and that is a NO. But imagine this your at a state park with your GF...(your life and her life are in danger) a guy is approaching you with a knife and saying give me your car keys what do you do now? If you have a CCW permit you can pull that gun out and say back of and he will back of knowing you are armed. But in reality that is what HB 89 is doing, it's letting you carry in more places were ur more open to attacks.

[GSRteg®]

Bigdare23--- read what i wrote above

And if trigger happy GFL holders are the ones you are worried about... Keep this in mind I took the time to get my GFL so if I get pissed off and want to fire a few rounds I just go down to the local gun range and fire off a few without consequence and increase my targetting.

You and me both man... it's a privilege to be able to carry.

[Kamelyn]

It's one thing to know that you have protection and it's another thing hoping you don't become a victim. I like reassurance, vs. risk, especially when I'm in control.

[GSRteg®]

It's one thing to know that you have protection and it's another thing hoping you don't become a victim. I like reassurance, vs. risk, especially when I'm in control.

Damn your like reading my mind bro.

[GSRteg®]

Kamelyn when will we know if it passed or not?

[Kamelyn]

I don't know just yet but I keep checking

http://georgiapacking.org/bills.php

every week. Hopefully July 1, it becomes law.

[GSRteg®]

I don't know just yet but I keep checking

http://georgiapacking.org/bills.php

every week. Hopefully July 1, it becomes law.

July 1st it is then

[Kamelyn]

July 1st it is then

That makes two of us.

[blare]

Your missing the point bigdare. This bill only expands the rights of people currently holding GFL's and guess what? These people already carry almost everywhere except for a few places. GFL holders will now be able to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, state parks, and public transportation when this bill passes.

As for someone snapping and killing a bunch of people, last time I checked people didn't care what places were off limits for GFL's when they went on a murdering spree.

EDIT: Just noticed someone already covered this point above. I can't wait either ! WE should have had these rights a long time ago.

[DieselNuts]

All I have to say is.....if this bill gets passed the crime rate will increase like crazy. If people can walk around in stores and junk with "legal" guns....there will be twice as many people walking around with illegal guns. We will look back and laugh at today's crime rate. I have yet to see the positives about it....but to each his own.

wow, you are retarded. There is a city in Arizona where it is legal for ANYONE to carry w/o a license. You know what the crime rate is in that little town? Its 0. Thats because there is a good chance that the person that is about to get robbed has a gun, so they dont get robbed for fear of being shot.

[DieselNuts]

No cops in sight... WOO HOO! Rapeabitch.

LIRL! That is sig material right there!

[DieselNuts]

How are you 100% sure about the bold statement?!? What if someone with a clean record just suddenly decides to snap? He can walk anywhere freely with his weapon open and suddenly just start killing people. No one would of expected it out of him. Why? Because everyone walks around like that.

What keeps someone that isnt licensed from doing that?

[ShooterMcGavin]

You can/ or can't justify everything based on other regions. We are talking about GA not those other places. You wont know what's going to happen until it does. That's like saying because your older brother's gay you're going to be gay. My point makes perfect sense. The more you have on your plate the more you're going to eat. The more condons you have the more you're going to try to ****. So the more places you can carry weapons, they more opportunities for people to **** up and misuse them.

wow, you REALLY don't get it. what makes georgia so damn special that we wouldn't follow the same trend that's already been set? your point doesn't make ANY sense, you keep saying "we need to keep guns off the street" but do you even realize how many law abiding citizens carry EVERYWHERE regardless of the law? how many accidental shootings have there been bc of that?

[ShooterMcGavin]

I get the point. You don't get the point. There are two sides to everything, and I'm brilliant enough to see both. There's no reason to defend one side when everyone is already saying the same damn thing. I was just showing you the other viewpoint.

how convenient. if you're so brilliant you wouldn't be arguing for the WRONG side, whether you can SEE it or not. many who have posted here can SEE the other side, but all it does is make us laugh at how ridiculous it is.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Kamelyn when will we know if it passed or not?

TODAY! if sonny doesn't veto it then it passes since it's been on the table for a month. and if it does pass then it becomes law on july 1st

[DieselNuts]

how convenient. if you're so brilliant you wouldn't be arguing for the WRONG side, whether you can SEE it or not. many who have posted here can SEE the other side, but all it does is make us laugh at how ridiculous it is.

Quoted for troof. Reps for you buddy

[Got Milk?]

WTH? Carry guns any where? What do people do first when they really get pissed, they want to beat the hell out of the other person. Well if they have their gun, and they really get pissed at someone else, first thing they will do is grab for their gun and point the gun at the persons face. Now if the other guy also have a legal gun on him, he will probably do the same thing, and thats how we will get a death increase.

STUPID IDEA.

[ShooterMcGavin]

WTH? Carry guns any where? What do people do first when they really get pissed, they want to beat the hell out of the other person. Well if they have their gun, and they really get pissed at someone else, first thing they will do is grab for their gun and point the gun at the persons face. Now if the other guy also have a legal gun on him, he will probably do the same thing, and thats how we will get a death increase.

STUPID IDEA.

please only speak for idiots such as yourself and not the general population, kthx

[Jaimecbr900]

Those of you that are sooooo afraid of inanimate objects need to look at logic and FACTS.

This legislation has been in place in many many places already and some of your totally unrealistic logic has been proven wrong. Take Miami as an example.

From what I've read, this was in place there. Guess what happened? The crime rate drastically dropped. Why? Because the criminals suddenly were afraid and weren't sure just who was packing. But guess what else happened, that in my mind cements even more my thought process on this subject.......the crime rate in some other areas actually went UP. Yep, UP. Follow this now.....stick with me.

The criminals steered clear of those areas where they no longer KNEW that people would be easy prey due to the new legislation, SOOOO they figured out WHERE there were areas where they KNEW people would be unarmed. Guess where that is? AIRPORT. Yes, the Miami-Dade Int'l Airport. The criminals KNOW that when you come OFF an airplane you are definetly NOT carrying any weapons. Hell, we all KNOW that. So they would loiter around the airport, find their mark....usually someone renting a car (i.e. out of towners).....and follow them out of the airport. They would do the good ole "swoop and dive" car accident scheme where they just "accidentally" bump you to get you to stop and get out of the car....at which point since they KNOW you are NOT protected they turn the tables and rob you AT GUN POINT. See how that works?

So again, if any of you following the gun control herd mentality that says "GUNS kill people", should use some logic and seek FACTS. Giving people MORE power to protect themselves against criminals is NEVER a bad idea.

The ironic thing is that in today's AJC editorial, probably because the deadline is today for Perdue to veto this bill, they echo exactly what some of the gun control nuts in here are saying. Funny thing is that it would probably take all of 5 mins to find a million pages worth of FACTS on those cities where this has already been in place for a while, long enough to come to some concrete conclusions which overwhelmingly show crime rates do indeed DROP when gun laws are laxed. But if you read the editorial, it falls over backward saying there is "zero proof" that crime rates are affected by gun laws. Hmmmm, then why have ANY gun laws at all IF they do "nothing" according to you????

[blare]

The people on the anti side don't seem to know or realize that GFL holders have been carrying guns in almost 75% of the places they visit everyday. Thats right there is a dude in your McDonalds, mall, movie theater, and Wal Mart that is carrying a gun. This expansion into another 15% of the places you visit is not going to make GFL holders go on shooting rampages.

BTW It's been said once and I will say it again. This law only affects the good guys, because criminals obviously dont give a **** about the law.

[nreggie454]

WTH? Carry guns any where? What do people do first when they really get pissed, they want to beat the hell out of the other person. Well if they have their gun, and they really get pissed at someone else, first thing they will do is grab for their gun and point the gun at the persons face. Now if the other guy also have a legal gun on him, he will probably do the same thing, and thats how we will get a death increase.

STUPID IDEA.

STUPID PERSON.

This law allows people who already have carry liscenses to carry in more places. These people show restraint every day and have had extensive background checks and have been fingerprinted. They know that if they use their gun at the wrong time, the law will be on their ass immediately. They have been trained on when to use deadly force, and when not to. People think that because of this bill, every single person will have a gun, and also every single person is some hothead that has a terrible temper and no conscience. That thought process is WRONG.

EDIT: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jaimecbr900 again.

[DieselNuts]

STUPID PERSON.

This law allows people who already have carry liscenses to carry in more places. These people show restraint every day and have had extensive background checks and have been fingerprinted. They know that if they use their gun at the wrong time, the law will be on their ass immediately. They have been trained on when to use deadly force, and when not to. People think that because of this bill, every single person will have a gun, and also every single person is some hothead that has a terrible temper and no conscience. That thought process is WRONG.

this thread should be closed. There are seriously at least 20 posts that say the SAME THING. What is it that is not clear about the quoted post???

[nreggie454]

this thread should be closed. There are seriously at least 20 posts that say the SAME THING. What is it that is not clear about the quoted post???

I know. However, a moron always jumps in the thread with the exact same argument, so the exact response arises. I know I have posted that response two or three times already, but I guess they are also too dumb to read through the thread.

[DieselNuts]

I know. However, a moron always jumps in the thread with the exact same argument, so the exact response arises. I know I have posted that response two or three times already, but I guess they are also too dumb to read through the thread.

the thing is, they shouldnt have to read the thread to realize what you are saying. Their arguments are all the same, with the same point....All being wrong...

[nreggie454]

the thing is, they shouldnt have to read the thread to realize what you are saying. Their arguments are all the same, with the same point....All being wrong...

Yup. I guess they all have this:

reps, btw.

[ShooterMcGavin]

never underestimate the persistence of stupid ppl

reps to all those who have some damn sense about them.

[DieselNuts]

lol, speaking of....where did LizBiz run off to?

[ShooterMcGavin]

^^we've already speculated on this as well

[Jaimecbr900]

lol, speaking of....where did LizBiz run off to?

OUCH!!!

[turbosx©]

well people the bill passed!!!

come July 1st Georgia as we know it is gonna end lol.

who wants to celebrate besides me?

[DieselNuts]

so, did he sign it or did he just not veto it?

[ShooterMcGavin]

i'm not TOO surprised, he did let it leak during an interview last week that he was leaning towards either signing or letting it pass on its own

btw, it was signed

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...6#post36776736

[turbosx©]

shag my bad I didnt see you posted that.

[GSRteg®]

TODAY! if sonny doesn't veto it then it passes since it's been on the table for a month. and if it does pass then it becomes law on july 1st

Well it passed that's all that matters.

[1439/2000]

I'm glad this passed. Now I wont be a criminal when I go hiking anymore.

Oh and MARTA, I wills always no matter what carry. If i run into Soulja girl on the train you never know what might happen.

[ShooterMcGavin]

YA B1TCH YA!