Carry on campus?

[dohc4.6sc]

it's going to be one messy case...unless student 1 comes out of nowhere and tries to attack student 2...

What do you mean by a messy case? As in the police determining who was at fault? I'm talking about both students are arguing, student 1 (who is acroos the room) grabs a chair and runs at student 2. Would that be considered up under the"stand you ground" law? If so, then i think when students get into disputes they could shoot one another and get out trough a loophole. I.E. he had a pencil in his hand, and said he would stab me in the throat.

[JConner]

I have not read past the first few posts, but anyways if this hasnt been said, what if two students start fighting, student 1 comes at student 2 with chair attempting to hit him with it, student 2 pulls out his peice and shoots student 1. now would that be considered stand your ground law? if it would be, how often do you think it would happen? Anyone ever seen the southpark episode, where the guys are hunting and cant shoot the animals unless they are "coming right for them."

the two students that are involved in this "fight" are immature enough to start this "fight." This would not be two students that are atleast 21 years of age and have taken the time to get a lisence to carry. The kids that get in a fight and throw chairs at each other are the students that pull out their ILLEGAL "piece" as the criminals call it and shoot each other.

[ShooterMcGavin]

What do you mean by a messy case? As in the police determining who was at fault? I'm talking about both students are arguing, student 1 (who is acroos the room) grabs a chair and runs at student 2. Would that be considered up under the"stand you ground" law? If so, then i think when students get into disputes they could shoot one another and get out trough a loophole. I.E. he had a pencil in his hand, and said he would stab me in the throat.

messy as in student 2 is pretty much fuxored unless he has all kinds of witnesses saying he was attacked for NO REASON, if he had any part in the fight then no, the stand your ground law will not hold up for you.

in either case like jconner just said, the chances of this even happening like the way you envision is slim to none...

[JConner]

messy as in student 2 is pretty much fuxored unless he has all kinds of witnesses saying he was attacked for NO REASON, if he had any part in the fight then no, the stand your ground law will not hold up for you.

in either case like jconner just said, the chances of this even happening like the way you envision is slim to none...

i love your sig picture!!!!!!! the people that cannot comprehend why criminals shoot up schools should simply look at that picture

[lilmanx01]

You do understand that 75%+ of all college students aren't 21, right? So that means that we are only talking about mostly seniors that are even old enough to carry in the first place. Factor out that the majority of seniors are more worried about chasing split tails than they are about applying for a CCW......what it REALLY means is a very small percentage of 21+ year olds that are way less likely to be your "emo" kids crying over getting jilted by some girl.

So, once again, the perception of possibly getting shot by one of these "seniors" is far more powerful than the fact.

Look at it like this:

Parents that use spank will attest that they hardly ever spank. Why? Because all they had to do was spank once or twice and after that their kids BELIEVE that if they SAY they are going to they will. That means they hardly, if ever, have to after that. The PERCEPTION is just as powerful if not MORE than the lack thereof.

Follow that? Same thing will happen in schools, malls, and/or any public place when one or two John Q. Publics stop some maniac from going on a huge killing spree. Criminals and idiots will then start thinking twice before thinking that's just easy sitting duck prey.

I def agree that perception is very powerful. And i do understand that we are not talking about many students. But do you honestly think that if lets say 10% of the of age students have a CCW..and this becomes law that percentage would not raise?

But being a college student myself i cant say i would be comfortable sitting around people i dont know in my classes with loaded firearms. And I'm sorry but just because your 21 doesn't you may not have an emo day. I mean the VTech kid was over 21 wasnt he? With age comes more responsibility..with more responsibility comes more problems.

Kids under 21 yes may not be the wisest either and party too much, drink too much, not care enough. Or jst flat not know enough. Putting more guns out there will only make them more accessable. YES, if your a criminal you will think twice. But a lot of these kids these days that are shooting up colleges have problems, and I really don't think they care if they live or die. I mean obviously some have committed sucide so they must not care.

[GSRteg®]

i would say it's a fact that almost all the ppl that go crazy w/guns DON'T have a legal carry permit.

True

[Jaimecbr900]

Ok, since being "emo" is something people seem to be worried about........


How many teens die every year by their own hand.......DRIVING???? Compare that number to the allegedly astronomical number of suicide with guns by the same age group.

Come back and report so we can see which is more "dangerours".....guns or cars.

What gun control people don't seem to understand is that if you take away the guns from law abiding citizens the only ones left with guns will be the criminals and police. Which one do you think outnumbers which?

Police can't do it alone. Police can't be everywhere all the time. It is and should be up to each of us to initially protect ourselves and others. The ironic thing is that most, if not all, gun owners are willing to save the hide of those same pundits that would love to take away that same gun that may save their life. This is America after all.....

[ShooterMcGavin]

I def agree that perception is very powerful. And i do understand that we are not talking about many students. But do you honestly think that if lets say 10% of the of age students have a CCW..and this becomes law that percentage would not raise?

no, for those that don't consider getting a permit, the last reason is where exactly they can carry. i do not buy that just bc carrying on campus is legalized, suddenly have a permit would be the in thing and everyone would start rushing to get one once they hit 21.

IBut being a college student myself i cant say i would be comfortable sitting around people i dont know in my classes with loaded firearms. And I'm sorry but just because your 21 doesn't you may not have an emo day. I mean the VTech kid was over 21 wasnt he? With age comes more responsibility..with more responsibility comes more problems.

why? you'd rather be naive in thinking you're totally safe just bc there's a law saying you can't carry on campus? go look at my sig again please.

Kids under 21 yes may not be the wisest either and party too much, drink too much, not care enough. Or jst flat not know enough. Putting more guns out there will only make them more accessable. YES, if your a criminal you will think twice. But a lot of these kids these days that are shooting up colleges have problems, and I really don't think they care if they live or die. I mean obviously some have committed sucide so they must not care.

how does that have ANYTHING to do w/being able to carry on campus? being allowed to carry on campus does not translate to an increase in the # of guns on the market, no matter how logical it might seem on the surface. and maybe you really don't get it, but if people have problems and are willing to do stupid sh1t to themselves or others, THEY WILL NOT CARE THAT GUNS AREN'T ALLOWED ON CAMPUS. i swear some ppl just get stuck in a loop thinking that "gun free zone = safe zone". you need to find a way to adjust that thinking into "gun free zone = safe for CRIMINALS zone".