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Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10Originally Posted by AlanŽ
I think we need guns on campus (j/k). Atleast the students with guns will try an stop the gunmen, which will give me time to get to my car and head home.
I don't trust college students enough to allow them to carry guns on campus. I see more guns going off due to small conflicts than anything else
2006 Evo IX - Bolt ons
Let me ask you this do you have any quams about going to eat at your favorite restraunt in Atlanta knowing that there are an unknown number of guns in the same room yet you don't even have the slightest idea as to who these people are? At least in a classroom you would have a good idea as to who to worry about.I think we need guns on campus (j/k). Atleast the students with guns will try an stop the gunmen, which will give me time to get to my car and head home
I don't trust college students enough to allow them to carry guns on campus. I see more guns going off due to small conflicts than anything else
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
Same here, it seems like the only people that want it legalized are the people with guns. Everyone else would feel very uncomfortable. Had a debate today in class about this very issue. Also, just because you have a CCW license does not mean you know how to judge situations and react accordingly. A bunch of bullets flying from 20 different guns just sounds like a bad idea... And I am usually in favor of guns. Colleges are not the right place for them, however.I think we need guns on campus (j/k). Atleast the students with guns will try an stop the gunmen, which will give me time to get to my car and head home
I don't trust college students enough to allow them to carry guns on campus. I see more guns going off due to small conflicts than anything else
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More Guns in the hands of students no matter what doesn't put me at ease. More trained Campus Police is the answer and better response time from the local police is the key. I still don't understand why Campus don't spend money on this and other safety measures to make campus safer for students, its not like colleges are underfunded
2006 Evo IX - Bolt ons
So do you want a cop in every classroom?
No but trained police or highly paid security for every 100-250 student would be fine
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Well the type of situations I'm thinking I'd need a gun for extra police aren't gonna help. It's just like the data on the flyer 81911SC posted up says. NIU, 2 min. response time, which personally I think is pretty damn good.
Let's say the guy in the back row plans some **** out and brings a Colt to class. How many do you think he could pop off in say half that amount of time?
Because colleges at their core are business not education institutions.More Guns in the hands of students no matter what doesn't put me at ease. More trained Campus Police is the answer and better response time from the local police is the key. I still don't understand why Campus don't spend money on this and other safety measures to make campus safer for students, its not like colleges are underfunded
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
What do you think the chances are that another student is able to stop him, even with a gun? It's one thing to say "yeah I would pop his ass" it's another thing to pull the trigger. If you aren't willing to squeeze you have just made the situation even more dangerous. The kids that does these things have surrender no where in their minds. Pulling a gun on them is only going to get you shot before the unarmed ones.
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I'd rather my Government give me the option to choose to die fighting...
With your logic, I bet you think ghettos and trailer parks are safe too, especially in apartment complexes where everybody is close together like a classroom full of strangers.
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Ever had a gun pulled on you? Ever had a gun fired at you? How do you know you won't just run like everyone else? You can't practice these things.
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^ Explain what you mean there. EDIT(Tiger)
He is basically saying you're not trained to act responsible under that kind pressure.
PPl who run stand a greater chance of surviving that type of situation than to the ppl that will stay and fight
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No, neither one. All i'm asking is why do you think the government should tell people they can't carry in there. I don't know if i'd have the balls to take some one like that out, most likely the oppertunity would never arise or whatever, but why should you have that oppertunity to make the choice to defend yourself taken from you?
i can personally say yes to the first question, although it was by a cop. and yes i have had training with a gun, i used to be a security guard @ a nuclear power plant. so i do know how to react under stress.
I also can say yes at the time I had next to no experience with guns. But I definitely didn't freeze
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
If you are so worried about guns going off, take online courses. I think ppl caring would infringe on my personal safety, so keep your guns off campus. There are not enough school shooting to even justify carrying on Campus. If school officials and local Police did there job and if every gun transaction to a person is tracked this could have been stopped in the planning stages.
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just remember if a cop says to keep your hands out of your pockets, he means it.I also can say yes at the time I had next to no experience with guns. But I definitely didn't freeze
Tiger I think you need to consider just crimes in general on campus. When you look at the number of people that get robbed, mugged, attacked on campuses across the country your opinon might start to sway.
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i dont think students or anyone for that matter should be able to carry firearms other than the campus police. they should hire more campus police imo.
I have been robbed twice at gunpoint. 1 time with the gun pointed to the back of my head. I still stand by what I said
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those things dont necessarily constitute using deadly force, it should only be used when immediate danger of life is present. of course thats from the view point of a bystander, and most people that are in that situation would prob be females and less likely to carry a firearm. also the person attacks them because they appear weak or defenseless. for those kind of situations more lights and more cameras to deter those events from happening would be the better solution. maybe even more guards to actually stay in parking lots or decks. but im still for the right to bear arms, dont take this as a change in my position on weather guns should be allowed or not
This is the mindset that I have a problem with at heart. "I don't like what you're doing, so I'm going make you stop." Imposing your beliefs on others. If other want to carry guns to make themselves feel safer so be it. If that makes you uncomfortable, then you should go get your own gun.
Now i realize that's somewhat of a wild west mentality, but i'm just trying to simplify it down to my beliefs. Obviously the other option would be to just leave these gun toting people, but if we're talking about school here that's not really an option, but that's where the whole concealed thing comes in.
I completely agree with you. I say do whatever you can to prevent the need for someone to ever have to pull the gun but at the same time at least allow it for that added personal security. Personally I would carry. Seing as how I'm really tiny 5'7" 125lbs. What I think is worse however is that on a lot of campuses you could and no one would ever know.
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saying this contradicts what you say right here
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Then stay your pus.sy a.ss at home with your gun then. You are not going to make me stop.
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well either way im goin to bed night chaps good talk.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
ok, i guess it is a flawed argument assuming you didn't like the first gun in the first place you wouldn't get a second one. What I meant was if "getting your own gun" was a way of making yourself feel safer by changing your actions instead of changing someone else's.
make you stop what?
thought this was relevent:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C0vyxgJLJVA
It would be better then nothing. How can you force us to sit and hope he misses? Or that he walks away? It seems Tiger is saying that it will be a large gunfight. I don't see that happening but what I do see is what the news shows. Students dead on campus. Police could respond in 1 min and there already be 10 dead. If someone had a weapon, they would have at least a chance to survive. Sorry, but I won't sit and hope he leaves.
don't be a puss. carry a gun. No seriously carry one because the guy mugging you has one, so is the guy raping you sister, and don't forget the pedo's that prey on lil kids, they don't use candy anymore, oh and don't let me forget the guy you sit to everyday whose having a hard time passing his class, paying for school, and who was just turned down by the smart bombshell in the front row, not her look left yes her.
Shits real out here. You betta keep a strap and learn somethin'.
GA State has it's own police department, and I feel safer here with all these bums and **** around in the heart of Atlanta, than I do in bloody Acworth.
Horsesh!t, Ran is still old school. Never seen him with a gun.
Ran doesn't pray on girls under 13. He's not a sicko.
Shits real out here. You betta keep a strap and learn somethin'.
Ummm no. You must be extremely ingnorant if you cant even see the point of the other side of the argument.
What if ur having a ****ty day, and then all of a sudden you see me making out with your girlfriend in the corner, whats holding you back on pulling outyour gun? Any dumbass can get a concealed weapons license, i dont trust them to keep me safe.
they're not out to keep you safe, they're out to keep themselves safe and you might just happen to benefit from it.
Ummm no. You must be extremely ingnorant if you cant even see the point of the other side of the argument.
What if ur having a ****ty day, and then all of a sudden you see me making out with your girlfriend in the corner, whats holding you back on pulling outyour gun? Any dumbass can get a concealed weapons license, i dont trust them to keep me safe.
and i CAN see the other side of the argument, but it is fundamentally flawed bc it assumes for ppl that they do not have any sense of SELF RESPONSIBILITY.
and the fact of the matter is, if we start limiting things like where law abiding citizens can legally carry, where does it stop?
we all know there are TONS of sh1tty drivers on the roads who are way more dangerous and kill way more often than anyone w/a gun. and these "dumb@sses" can get their drivers license a whole helluva lot easier than a concealed permit, yet we do not restrict in any way where they can drive, when they can drive, etc etc.
now the question is, can you understand, i mean truly comprehend, what i just said?
that's bc actual downtown atl isn't all that dangerous since it has mostly bums wandering around
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