Was there Al-Queda in Iraq before the US invasion?

[highspeed]

im going to butt in for a min right quick. i understand both sides and each side has a good point. im currently training to go over to Iraq at an undisclosed location. i have been previleged to the latest information and the most unbiased. it is amazing what the media had done to this war. all the media's focus is on how much it cost and how negative the war is. I will try to put this in some kind of perspective. As of right now the U.S. and its allies have appoximately 60k detainees in iraq alone. Of that at least 3/4 of them want to harm America or westerners. What people don't see is the amound of people who want America there to help stabilize the government and rid the country of insurgents( not just al queda, there are so many terrorist groups over there .....don't get them mixed up with al queda). Right now the war is really more in the stability operation stage. Winning the hearts and minds of the people and helping them understand that we are there for help not to hurt. Im not muslim but i have alot of respect for those that are. they are one of the most devote religions in the world, it really takes alot of discipline. But some people use the Name of Allah(which in english simply means God) to bring a holy war against the evil westerners. I wish i could show you what young kids are taught about america and western society.....it would make you sick......when we were all kids we would learn about history and how to speak.....but these kids get handed an AK47 and a loaded mag. To try to understand what we are doing over there would me futile unless you are there and you see what happens there daily........the media shows half the story.....so if you take into all the media talk....well then the war is lost. Simply put....we are fighting for the people who can't fight for themselves. I know that I will get flamed for this, and i wish i could share the information that i get with you but i can't because of security reasons. Just take it from me.....we are doing good.......even if you arent for the war.....we are doing some good .

[DrivenMind]

im going to butt in for a min right quick. i understand both sides and each side has a good point. im currently training to go over to Iraq at an undisclosed location. i have been previleged to the latest information and the most unbiased. it is amazing what the media had done to this war. all the media's focus is on how much it cost and how negative the war is. I will try to put this in some kind of perspective. As of right now the U.S. and its allies have appoximately 60k detainees in iraq alone. Of that at least 3/4 of them want to harm America or westerners. What people don't see is the amound of people who want America there to help stabilize the government and rid the country of insurgents( not just al queda, there are so many terrorist groups over there .....don't get them mixed up with al queda). Right now the war is really more in the stability operation stage. Winning the hearts and minds of the people and helping them understand that we are there for help not to hurt. Im not muslim but i have alot of respect for those that are. they are one of the most devote religions in the world, it really takes alot of discipline. But some people use the Name of Allah(which in english simply means God) to bring a holy war against the evil westerners. I wish i could show you what young kids are taught about america and western society.....it would make you sick......when we were all kids we would learn about history and how to speak.....but these kids get handed an AK47 and a loaded mag. To try to understand what we are doing over there would me futile unless you are there and you see what happens there daily........the media shows half the story.....so if you take into all the media talk....well then the war is lost. Simply put....we are fighting for the people who can't fight for themselves. I know that I will get flamed for this, and i wish i could share the information that i get with you but i can't because of security reasons. Just take it from me.....we are doing good.......even if you arent for the war.....we are doing some good .

Fine if that's your rational, then I guess stick to it. Keep shooting civilians because you can't distinguish them from the "enemy", and keep liberating nations who don't ask to be liberated, you're paving the way for a singular, global government. You can keep telling yourself you're fighting for a people who can't fight for themselves, just like most soldiers do now, and did in Vietnam, unfortunately sooner or later, you are going to be forced to come to the realization that these people never asked for, or wanted our help. Isn't it funny how the U.S. only "helps", nations with whom they import a common commodity.

Thankfully, against your ideals, I don't have to be in Iraq to see what's going on. What Bush is doing to this country, isn't all that different from what Adolf Hitler did to Germany before taking power, and while I will forever support you for risking you life for our country, I will forever be fighting the people who'd rather send you to your death, for their own private gain. Most of the soldier friends I have, have asked me to sit down with them, and explain what I now know to be true about the United States government.

Oh yea... Didn't you swear an oath to protect the constitution, not corrupt politicians? So then why is Bush's agenda so damned important to you?

E Pluribus Unum.

[Spektrewing386]

who don't ask to be liberated

im not really involved in this thread, and i wish to remain neutral between all the arguments here. but i just want to point out a quick thing.


"who don't ask to be liberated"

truth is that they would go to prision if they asked to be liberated. 10 years ago you just couldnt go to the middle of Baghdad Square holding a sign saying "Please liberate us" and not expect a stick of dynamite to be shoved up your ass and then exploded.

[mad3nch1na]

im not really involved in this thread, and i wish to remain neutral between all the arguments here. but i just want to point out a quick thing.


"who don't ask to be liberated"

truth is that they would go to prision if they asked to be liberated. 10 years ago you just couldnt go to the middle of Baghdad Square holding a sign saying "Please liberate us" and not expect a stick of dynamite to be shoved up your ass and then exploded.

By stating this you are automatically implying we are always "right" and we always know what is best for every one else. There are people in this country that don't like our own current administration, 78% last time I checked, and no one is "liberating" us, Bush is still in power. America should not fight other people's war unless we are done with our own. Just because YOU agree with the fact that some one wants to be liberated does not mean that a sovereign nation should be overthrown.The fact that there are people that think like this reflects just how vain some Americans are and goes to show why most of "the rest of the world" hates the United States. It is so sad to see that American's foreign policy the exact opposite of the way the founding fathers envisioned it. We need need to start abbiding by the Monroe Doctrine again...

[BanginJimmy]

We need need to start abbiding by the Monroe Doctrine again...

it worked well for us in the late 1930's and into the early 40's didnt it.

[40th GT]

im going to butt in for a min right quick. i understand both sides and each side has a good point. im currently training to go over to Iraq at an undisclosed location. i have been previleged to the latest information and the most unbiased. it is amazing what the media had done to this war. all the media's focus is on how much it cost and how negative the war is. I will try to put this in some kind of perspective. As of right now the U.S. and its allies have appoximately 60k detainees in iraq alone. Of that at least 3/4 of them want to harm America or westerners. What people don't see is the amound of people who want America there to help stabilize the government and rid the country of insurgents( not just al queda, there are so many terrorist groups over there .....don't get them mixed up with al queda). Right now the war is really more in the stability operation stage. Winning the hearts and minds of the people and helping them understand that we are there for help not to hurt. Im not muslim but i have alot of respect for those that are. they are one of the most devote religions in the world, it really takes alot of discipline. But some people use the Name of Allah(which in english simply means God) to bring a holy war against the evil westerners. I wish i could show you what young kids are taught about america and western society.....it would make you sick......when we were all kids we would learn about history and how to speak.....but these kids get handed an AK47 and a loaded mag. To try to understand what we are doing over there would me futile unless you are there and you see what happens there daily........the media shows half the story.....so if you take into all the media talk....well then the war is lost. Simply put....we are fighting for the people who can't fight for themselves. I know that I will get flamed for this, and i wish i could share the information that i get with you but i can't because of security reasons. Just take it from me.....we are doing good.......even if you arent for the war.....we are doing some good .

highspeed, thanks for that good chunk of info and I appreciate your service. Reps for you.