Split Fulton County?

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[ironchef]

Milton County FTW. Im tired of paying taxes and it doesn't go back into my neighborhood and schools. The milton county area is 29% of the population but paying 42% of the taxes? That right there is the biggest problem, imo. This has nothing to do with race at all, everyone just tries to play the race card as much as they can.

[Kamikaze]

Milton County FTW. Im tired of paying taxes and it doesn't go back into my neighborhood and schools.

We're not immune to what you just described on the southside. Compare the southside to the northside. Where do you think our tax money is going? It sure isn't coming our way.

This has nothing to do with race at all, everyone just tries to play the race card as much as they can.

Yes it does. The demographics of north Fulton compared to south Fulton are completely opposite. I'll see if I can find the demographic chart.

[Jaimecbr900]

Milton County FTW. Im tired of paying taxes and it doesn't go back into my neighborhood and schools. The milton county area is 29% of the population but paying 42% of the taxes? That right there is the biggest problem, imo. This has nothing to do with race at all, everyone just tries to play the race card as much as they can.

I heard the exact same figures myself. If that's so, then I don't blame them for wanting to split. Fulton Co. Politics always seem to be in hot water somewhere.

[Jaimecbr900]

We're not immune to what you just described on the southside. Compare the southside to the northside. Where do you think our tax money is going? It sure isn't coming our way.

Where do you suppose it's going then?

Yes it does. The demographics of north Fulton compared to south Fulton are completely opposite. I'll see if I can find the demographic chart.

Everything doesn't have to be about race. Sometimes its just simple MATH.

[{X}Echo419]

We're not immune to what you just described on the southside. Compare the southside to the northside. Where do you think our tax money is going? It sure isn't coming our way.



Yes it does. The demographics of north Fulton compared to south Fulton are completely opposite. I'll see if I can find the demographic chart.

saying it's b/c of race is like saying the people in South Fulton Co. are poor b/c they are black.

it's all about econimics, everything else is secondary. the politicians screaming about race just want to keep their positions of power. and if Fulton was to split they would lose their influence over whitey

[ironchef]

exactly right, sure the demographics are skewed, but that doesn't mean you still need to bring in the race card.

[Kamikaze]

Where do you suppose it's going then?

I would like to know the answer to that to. Like I said before, it's not coming our way.

Everything doesn't have to be about race. Sometimes its just simple MATH.

You know good and well it's not that simple when concerning matters like this.

[Kamikaze]

exactly right, sure the demographics are skewed, but that doesn't mean you still need to bring in the race card.

Then by all means explain what else it could be.

[2.0civic]

Then by all means explain what else it could be.

ill take cause were white and we have more money and nice shit cause we work hard and dont smoke crack and collect welfare for 500 alex

[Kamikaze]

ill take cause were white and we have more money and nice shit cause we work hard and dont smoke crack and collect welfare for 500 alex

I thought you guys ate opossums and went huntin' with the hounds. Guess that must just be a stereotype.

[Jaimecbr900]

I would like to know the answer to that to. Like I said before, it's not coming our way.

Not according to the politicians.

You know good and well it's not that simple when concerning matters like this.

Not really. If the majority of the money is coming from the minority of the people, it's pretty straight forward.

[2.0civic]

lol im going to say it simply cause this is why im for tair tax...

it sucks when someone who works hard and pulls lets say...280k a year....after taxes, youre roughly looking at 200...someone can make 150k and walk away with 100l\k...


so the guy who worked harder (screwed the system, however you look at it) just put an extra 30k into the county...why should the higher earner be penalized more for making more?? its a free enterprise country and nobody is preventing the "lower" income people from doing shit with their lives, except their own decisions.


sorry for the rant but basic economics are pretty fucking self explanatory and has jack shit to do with race....


BTW, oprahs a multimillionaire and so is Jordan but i know alot of broke white people.....

[Cool Cat GTR]

Why is it that everyone always thinks the world revolves around race? The world revolves around money. Color has nothing to do with it. For every instance where the rich want to dump the burden of supporting poor people, the race card is going to be played. So to read the article, I come away with the thought that the rich and poor/black or white or whatever you want to call it have done a piss poor job governing Fulton County. All people in Fulton are responsible regardless of wealth or race. My recommendation would be for Fulton County to cease totally and start over based solely on the obvious corruption and poor management of the government. Here's the only defense that the affluent can argue. The majority of the people residing in Fulton County elected people based on race rather than on abilities and by doing so have put the county at risk by having underqualified people governing them. If racism exists, it's because blacks were more concerned with a black holding office than they were with the success of the county. Sure, experienced black candidates exists and would make fine public servants but it they don't profess to be strong supporters of "black" people, they will not get elected. The perfect candidate should be a person that is concerned for the well being of "all" people. So if anyone wants to play the race card, they need to look in the mirror because they probably played that card when they voted.

[ironchef]

Why is it that everyone always thinks the world revolves around race? The world revolves around money. Color has nothing to do with it. For every instance where the rich want to dump the burden of supporting poor people, the race card is going to be played. So to read the article, I come away with the thought that the rich and poor/black or white or whatever you want to call it have done a piss poor job governing Fulton County. All people in Fulton are responsible regardless of wealth or race. My recommendation would be for Fulton County to cease totally and start over based solely on the obvious corruption and poor management of the government. Here's the only defense that the affluent can argue. The majority of the people residing in Fulton County elected people based on race rather than on abilities and by doing so have put the county at risk by having underqualified people governing them. If racism exists, it's because blacks were more concerned with a black holding office than they were with the success of the county. Sure, experienced black candidates exists and would make fine public servants but it they don't profess to be strong supporters of "black" people, they will not get elected. The perfect candidate should be a person that is concerned for the well being of "all" people. So if anyone wants to play the race card, they need to look in the mirror because they probably played that card when they voted.

Well said.

To anyone who thinks this is about race, I pose a question to you. How would you feel if you were pretty wealthy making the big bucks and getting taxed, but not seeing those tax dollars go to something useful like your childs public school, improved roads, parks, whatever? Instead that money goes to support some dumb bitch with 6 kids who won't get her fatass off welfare, and she doesn't even know who the damn dads are. How would you feel about that? Notice also I didn't bring a race into that equation, because color doesn't matter, only color that matters is green (the color of money for the color blind).

[alawa]

Roosevelt said the status of the country should be measured from the bottom. Obviously Ironchef you have no regard to humanity, but rather to the dollar. I am a big proponent of a social system here as they have in Europe, like th earticle states, Atlanta may not be that progressive after all.

[2.0civic]

Why is it that everyone always thinks the world revolves around race? The world revolves around money. Color has nothing to do with it. For every instance where the rich want to dump the burden of supporting poor people, the race card is going to be played. So to read the article, I come away with the thought that the rich and poor/black or white or whatever you want to call it have done a piss poor job governing Fulton County. All people in Fulton are responsible regardless of wealth or race. My recommendation would be for Fulton County to cease totally and start over based solely on the obvious corruption and poor management of the government. Here's the only defense that the affluent can argue. The majority of the people residing in Fulton County elected people based on race rather than on abilities and by doing so have put the county at risk by having underqualified people governing them. If racism exists, it's because blacks were more concerned with a black holding office than they were with the success of the county. Sure, experienced black candidates exists and would make fine public servants but it they don't profess to be strong supporters of "black" people, they will not get elected. The perfect candidate should be a person that is concerned for the well being of "all" people. So if anyone wants to play the race card, they need to look in the mirror because they probably played that card when they voted.

+ motherfucking 1!

[2.0civic]

Well said.

To anyone who thinks this is about race, I pose a question to you. How would you feel if you were pretty wealthy making the big bucks and getting taxed, but not seeing those tax dollars go to something useful like your childs public school, improved roads, parks, whatever? Instead that money goes to support some dumb bitch with 6 kids who won't get her fatass off welfare, and she doesn't even know who the damn dads are. How would you feel about that? Notice also I didn't bring a race into that equation, because color doesn't matter, only color that matters is green (the color of money for the color blind).

well said again +1 also

[ironchef]

Yes, I dont have regard for humanity because i feel a lower percentage of people paying a higher percentage of the taxes is fair . You can't sit there and tell me thats fair in the least. Do you realize that becoming more socialist here would result in the raising of taxes even further? Ill stick to a capitalistic economy thank you very much.

[alawa]

im all for higher taxes, low taxes are the reason why our infrastructure is falling apart, most schools (except of the wealthy) are failing. If yuou make mor emoney, your amount of tax will be higher, not necesarilly the rate (that is what the article is saying). Not tha tif you make more percentage wise you are taxed more, acutally under the current administration, taxes formt he wealthy have been lower than the impoverished. But this argument is mental masterbation, milton county will neve rbe again.

[Kamikaze]

How would you feel if you were pretty wealthy making the big bucks and getting taxed, but not seeing those tax dollars go to something useful like your childs public school, improved roads, parks, whatever?

I don't know. Why don't you ask some of the pretty wealthy people on the southside how it feels? I would imagine it's pretty frustrating.

[ironchef]

What does the southside have to do with this? Im talking in general, nowhere in my original comment did I state a certain location for wealthy individuals.

[ironchef]

im all for higher taxes, low taxes are the reason why our infrastructure is falling apart, most schools (except of the wealthy) are failing. If yuou make mor emoney, your amount of tax will be higher, not necesarilly the rate (that is what the article is saying). Not tha tif you make more percentage wise you are taxed more, acutally under the current administration, taxes formt he wealthy have been lower than the impoverished. But this argument is mental masterbation, milton county will neve rbe again.

How is our infrastructure falling apart? Theres more cops on the streets, theres more hospitals being put up, more and more services provided to the citizens, etc. Schools aren't failing because of the funding, theyre failing because newer generations of kids are absolute retards that can't make the grade, they either lack any kind of motivation, will, or simply the brain capacity.

As far as your statement about taxes from the wealthy have been lower than the impoverished, care to back it up with facts? That article itself states that a much lower percentage of the people are paying a higher percentage of the taxes.

I can understand why you said the schools are failing though, because you cant seem to write a decent sentence free from spelling and grammar mistakes. You don't want to place the blame on yourself, you'd rather blame the schools.

[2.0civic]

*grabs popcorn*

seriously i have a huge bad right now

[alawa]

haha, ironchef, your ad hominem attacks are quite amusing. Furthermore, basic math will tell you that if one person is taxed 10 and makes 40k they will pay 4k in taxes, whereas if you make 280k you will pay 28k in taxes, thus they pay more, but the percentage is the same.

[Kamikaze]

What does the southside have to do with this? Im talking in general, nowhere in my original comment did I state a certain location for wealthy individuals.

Are we not talking about the discrepencies between north and south Fulton county? Based on the rest of the thread, I thought that's what we were talking about. If you're talking "in general" maybe you should state that next time.

[ironchef]

haha, ironchef, your ad hominem attacks are quite amusing. Furthermore, basic math will tell you that if one person is taxed 10 and makes 40k they will pay 4k in taxes, whereas if you make 280k you will pay 28k in taxes, thus they pay more, but the percentage is the same.

Except the problem is our tax system isnt proportional yet progressive. So your basic math example is quite useless.

[Kamikaze]

Furthermore, basic math will tell you that if one person is taxed 10 and makes 40k they will pay 4k in taxes, whereas if you make 280k you will pay 28k in taxes, thus they pay more, but the percentage is the same.

Exactly. You make more, you pay more. Seems fair to me.

[ironchef]

Exactly. You make more, you pay more. Seems fair to me.

Well then would it be fair if the people who payed more recieved more services, had more cops in their areas, had much better public education, had much better roads, etc etc. I think there would be a shitload of people complaining if that was the case.

[alawa]

Ironchef and Steve, I am quite thankful that you are 19 years of age. Hopefully you are pursuing higher education. Higher Education should expose you to the real world, and not just the bubble of Alpharetta. I am from Leawood, KS a suburb far more affluent than Alpharetta (look it up), but I still care about the poor. It takes a long time to break out of your boughgeousis style of thinking. I assume, maybe incorrectly that you come from a privledged background as I see you drive a new A4 at 19 and you live in Alpharetta. While there is nothing wrong with this, there is something innately wrong with your animosity towards the poor. Furthermore, I was a national merit scholar, not that I have to justify myself to you, but in an argument, when you begin to make ad hominem attacks, you lose, be considerate of what you say. :-)

[Kamikaze]

Furthermore, basic math will tell you that if one person is taxed 10 [percent] and makes 40k they will pay 4k in taxes, whereas if you make 280k you will pay 28k in taxes, thus they pay more, but the percentage is the same.

Except the problem is our tax system isnt proportional yet progressive. So your basic math example is quite useless.

A progressive tax is a tax imposed so that the tax rate increases as the amount to which the rate is applied increases. The term "progressive tax" can be applied to any type of tax. It is frequently applied in reference to income taxes, where people with more disposable income pay a higher percentage of that income in tax than do those with less income.

Isn't that what he said?

[alawa]

no, I was speaking in general, ironchef was right on this point, but even to the progessive tax, the tax cuts implemented in the early terms of the current administration made the tax rate very low for those making over 200k a year.

[ironchef]

Ironchef and Steve, I am quite thankful that you are 19 years of age. Hopefully you are pursuing higher education. Higher Education should expose you to the real world, and not just the bubble of Alpharetta. I am from Leawood, KS a suburb far more affluent than Alpharetta (look it up), but I still care about the poor. It takes a long time to break out of your boughgeousis style of thinking. I assume, maybe incorrectly that you come from a privledged background as I see you drive a new A4 at 19 and you live in Alpharetta. While there is nothing wrong with this, there is something innately wrong with your animosity towards the poor. Furthermore, I was a national merit scholar, not that I have to justify myself to you, but in an argument, when you begin to make ad hominem attacks, you lose, be considerate of what you say. :-)

And you couldnt be further from the truth. First I never said I don't care about the poor, I don't care for the fact that the taxing setup for fulton is messed up and not used to its most efficient extent.

Secondly, I don't have a bourgeois way of thinking. Do you even know what bourgeois means? It seems you don't so heres a little refresher, "The marxist term for the middle classes whose interest it is to preserve the status quo." It obviously isn't in my interest to preserve the status quo because I don't agree with it, hence i dont have a bourgeois way of thinking.

And, no I dont come from a priviledged background what so ever. My family and I came here when I was six with virtually no money, and just a couple suitcases of clothes from a country in the former soviet union. Which was then and most likely still is a pretty poor 3rd world country. We didn't know the language or the customs of america, yet we went from that to now living a pretty good life, having a house in a good safe neighboorhood, without anyones help. The second day we were in america, my parents already got jobs, we never even touched welfare. So, don't think I don't know what its like to live shitty. Which is why im critical of the poor when they start complaining, they have the opportunities yet they choose not to see them through. That's no ones fault but their own.

In regards to the A4, just cause I have one doesn't mean anything. My parents didnt give it to me, the car is in my name, and I pay for it. Since, I got my first job at 16 my parents never just give me anything, besides a roof over my head. So, I know the value of hard work.

[alawa]

hmm, so an expatriot with no idea of how life is in the inner city. kudos to you!

[ironchef]

hmm, so an expatriot with no idea of how life is in the inner city. kudos to you!

Expatriot? I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. As far as no idea how life is in the inner city? Let me tell you the story of how my mother and I waited 4 hours in a line to buy a loaf of bread when there was a food shortage. I've seen and been in situations that make your "inner city" look like a fucking country club.

[alawa]

well, how about you volunteer in this country club, I run a youth development program, pm me for details.

[SL65AMG]

point is that there is a bunch of SLACK ASS fucks in southern fulton county. black white whatever they are a bunch of non-rent-paying slackers. and that i do have proof of. everyone knows who pays rent and who doesnt. its a known fact in the real estate world.

i think it would be a good thing to divide the county into two separate counties. one could remain SHITTY and the other would now be able to thrive because they are no longer being pulled down because of a bunch of slackers.

i dont give a damn if theyre white black asian whatever. fact is, a majority of the southern fulton county IS black. it doesnt make any difference. they arent known for not paying rent/mortgages w/e because someone doesnt like them....its just the truth

[Kamikaze]

If you don't mind, some of us are trying to have an intelligent debate. So please, hold your biased, baseless remarks until we're done.

kthxbye

[fire7882]

Isn't that what he said?

No.

As the income increases, so does the RATE. It is no longer near 10% when you make 280k but the rate increases to 30%-40%.

40,000 = 4,000 in taxes
280,000 = 100,000 in taxes

[Kamikaze]

No.

As the income increases, so does the RATE. It is no longer near 10% when you make 280k but the rate increases to 30%-40%.

40,000 = 4,000 in taxes
280,000 = 100,000 in taxes

Ah, didn't catch that part.