Quote Originally Posted by bigdare23
Damn, some of you have fucked up attitude toward society!
The bad attitude is not towards society, it is towards leeches. If you don't pay, you don't play. If it were more like that, we would have TONS more in the game. As it is, we are growing dependancy rather than independence. Which is better in your book?

If everyone wasn't so damn selfish we wouldn't have this problem. There's nothing wrong with sharing a helping hand.
Actually this "problem" is created when people base their whole life around what the "gov't" is going to "do" for them and manage it accordingly. When the gov't doesn't give them what they fell entitled to, then they complain.....ala biting the hand that feeds you. What is it that you do to a dog that does that????


If you made $200k, so what the problem of with taking $25-$50K and putting it toward society. It's not really "hurting" you. It's not taking food off of your table. Yeah, you might to settle for that Boxer rather then the GT3 (oh wow), but that's not too bad is it?

There's nothing wrong with it if it is VOLUNTARY. When it's taken from you forcebly it gets a little annoying. If I GIVE you something and you COMPLAIN about it.......what am I supposed to do? Keep giving or give to someone else?


On the other hand, If someone total income is $20k, $5K worth of tax can put you in a bind.
The tax burden of someone that makes $20k/yr is far less than $5k. Look up the tax brackets and see where $20K lies. It's not 25%. It's not even 10% realistically because how many "services" is that $20K/yr person USING??? I'd be willing to bet plenty more than the few pennies he/she is paying INTO the same system he/she is draining out the other end. This is why SS is going bankrupt and this is why the majority of social services are following that example. Pay out more than you are taking in, and even a short bus rider can tell you that will eventually bleed you dry.

Why is that person making only $20k? Start there as the first step.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the slackers, but their are plenty of people that want to improve their living standards that can't.
Why can't they?

Everyone wants to throw the word welfare out there, but do anyone really know the details of it. To qualify for most assists, you have to work with an exception if you're disable. So welfare is for people who are trying to help themselves that can't fully. There are few exceptions that cheat the system, but there are plenty more people who don't!
Wrong. There are far MORE that abuse it, hence there is problems with funding. There are plenty of people that get paid NOT to work. They make MORE from public assistance if they have no job at all than if they had a job and only received PARTIAL benefits.

I know of several people, first hand, that receive "benefits" for being disabled when they are perfectly fine to go to work. They work alright, for cash. So they get both hand out and money for working. Since they pay NO TAXES on either, then they technically make more than plenty of others that do work. I know several others that their CHILDREN receive SSI for a bunch of "ailments", yet their parents never paid a dime INTO SSI. How's that work again? Yet, my grandfather worked for over 50 yrs...ran his own business....supported his family......retired.....passed away 2 yrs later from cancer....and now you know how much my grandmother gets from SSI????? $49/mo. Yep, $49, and that's after this year's "increase" . Why? Because she has a PENSION she worked for and EARNED after 30 yrs teaching snotty nosed kids from toddlers to teenagers. So she gets PENALIZED because she planned ahead. My grandfather PAID THOUSANDS INTO SS, yet he nor my grandmother will EVER get even a fraction of a fraction of that. Yet children of non paying parents GET sometimes thousands of dollars MONTHLY.......

Don't talk to me about UNFAIR. I KNOW unfair.


This coming from a person who is on track to be making 6-digits (just check out the ^^^location). Once, I get to a place in life that I'm comfortable, I plan on helping bring up alot people that less fortuninate (spelling) then me
That's great, but it is VOLUNTARY and out of your own free will, right??? Would you feel the same way if it was TAKEN from you, and then you saw people squandering it??? Come talk to me after you've been EARNING that 6 figure salary. You will see things differently when it hits YOUR pocket directly.

I wish everyone wanted to do the same.
You're right. Me too.


{Plus, I'm fucking a Sociology Major, I can make one call and start spiting facts LOL.}
As long as you consider the source of your figures......go for it.