veyron: good, bad or the ugly?

[lightspeed]

Im wondering what you guys think of the Bugatti Veyron. Like or dislike?

Ive noticed that people seem to be of split opinion about these cars. Some people hail them as the best performance cars ever built (and possibly that ever could be built in our "regulated" automobile culture.) Some people think they are overpriced, ugly and lacking in "soul."

I will admit I used to be in the overpriced/ugly opinion group. However, the more I see and read about them, it becomes seemingly apparent that the cars really are the most amazing automotive achievements ever created...and maybe that ever will be created. The drivetrain, suspension, active aerodynamcis and interior are in a league totally of their own in performance, engineering and function. I still think the car is "ugly," even after seeing two of them in real life, although I saw them at an exotic car show next to some of the most beautiful cars in existence, so it was a tough comparison for it. The only problem is that its made in France, but I guess you cant win them all...

Performance wise, its so far ahead of everything else that its laughable. Ive heard that the veyron can do 0-240 mph faster than the McLaren f1 could do 160-240 mph. I dont know if thats true, but its mind blowing to consider. Braking is on-par with the acceleration. Only in handling does it lag behind a few other cars, but youre talking about a 4500# car that pulls .95G on a skidpad. Its fantastic.

Its also of-note that each Veyron costs Bugatti (VW) $5 million dollars to make, so even at $1.4 million new, they are loosing 3x that.

Anyway, what do you all think about it?

[OneSlow5pt0]

i think its ugly and their is hundreds of cars id take before it

[Kyle]

Are you sure they are 5million to make or is that a rumor. +1 if you give me documentation of that.

It's pretty amazing, have you seen the top gear video?

[man]

I dont like them personally, they are "ugly and lacking in soul" Now where I stand apart from the rest of the people who dislike it is I agree that it is incredible machine, but I still would never want one. There are many cars out there that will outperform it also, maybe not in sheer acceleration or top speed, but on a road course all of that falls to pieces with it trying to throw all that weight around turns. I also am a huge critic of anything less than a manual transmission in a supercar. If it's not a 3 pedal car, it better have a dedicated F1 tranny sitting there (none of that, you can shift if you want, otherwise the car will do it for you) a la Ferrari Enzo, which the most hideous creation to come out of Pininfarina (it's because Okuyama took over)

[Elbow]

I like them, but would take a Dauer over it.

[man]

I like them, but would take a Dauer over it.

Who wouldnt?

[lightspeed]

Are you sure they are 5million to make or is that a rumor. +1 if you give me documentation of that.
It's pretty amazing, have you seen the top gear video?

I actually got the 5 million per car cost from Jeremy Clarkson from the Top Gear test...if you consider that reputable. Im sure this is taking into consideration the development cost also, if you devide it by the planned number of cars.

Keep in mind the Veyron is a road/GT car, not a sports/track car. There are probably a few cars that, on the right track, could outrun the Veyron. I dont think any production cars are going to outrun it on a big track like the Ring, which have long straights where it can use its tremendous speed advantage. On some smaller, tight tracks, I agree the Veyron is somewhat out of its element.

As far as the trans goes...the Veyron does have the VW DSG gearbox, which Ive heard is the best performing automatic manual you can get. I have driven a Ferrari 360 with the F1 trans, and I hated the way it felt. Ive never driven a car with the DSG transmission though, although Im sure the one in the Veyron is worlds stronger and different feeling than the VW implementations. I would rather shift for myself also, but I think that, in a GT car like this, an auto-manual makes a lot of sense.

Personally, I "like" the Mercedes SLR more than the Veyron, although Im sure a lot of you will criticize it for the same things you do the Veyron (big, heavy, luxo, automatic,) but I think it has more "presence" than the Veyron. For some reason, I cant get enough of it.

Bottom line is... If you are rich enough to buy a $1.4 million dollar GT car, chances are youre an uber-millionaire and probably have an F1, Enzo, Carrera GT and a host of other toys that would probably be better suited to track days

[man]

Funny you bring up the SLR McLaren, as I wasn't a fan of it.

UNTIL they brought out the 722 which is sexy as hell.

[lightspeed]

Funny you bring up the SLR McLaren, as I wasn't a fan of it.

UNTIL they brought out the 722 which is sexy as hell.

I love all the SLR's...its my favorite new car. Its so freaking sinister looking, esp in black...it looks like the batmobile or something. And the interior is so damn nice. Its just an amzaing car. Its almost as fast at the Ring as a carrera GT, and I would expect its a much better touring car. Its amzaing a big, automatic car handles and brakes like that SLR. Its rediculous.
They regular sAMG cars with that same basic engine are so easy to modify that I bet you could get a ton of power out of an SLR with a supercharger pully and ECM flash. I wonder if Renntech has mods for it LOL Not that I could afford one anyway Well, one day maybe.

[OneSlow5pt0]

the SLR is great looking and a beast on the track......but i still think the 06 Z06 is the biggest bang for your buck

[Hektik]

the SLR is great looking and a beast on the track......but i still think the 06 Z06 is the biggest bang for your buck

lol... when u get into the category that the SLR and the Veyron are in bang for your buck is the last thing you have to worry about....

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol... when u get into the category that the SLR and the Veyron are in bang for your buck is the last thing you have to worry about....

lol,yea...but i think a souped up Z06(bout $80K) could tear up a stock
SLR(bout $450K) on the track

[Bruce Leroy]

They are fast, But i think that they are UGLY!!

[man]

lol,yea...but i think a souped up Z06(bout $80K) could tear up a stock
SLR(bout $450K) on the track

That's like saying, why buy a Z06 when you could buy a Miata and use the extra 75k to mod it. You pay for the quality, heritage and styling second to none. I don't think SLR owners have to worry about their roofs flying off at 30mph...

[OneSlow5pt0]

That's like saying, why buy a Z06 when you could buy a Miata and use the extra 75k to mod it. You pay for the quality, heritage and styling second to none. I don't think SLR owners have to worry about their roofs flying off at 30mph...

lol,yea...true...those 13B miata are pretty bad,but i would take 50 Z06s before buying this car

[man]

lol,yea...true...those 13B miata are pretty bad,but i would take 50 Z06s before buying this car

I'll take just one, and a Carrera GT

BTW, you could buy 4 CGTs for the price of the Veyron.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I'll take just one, and a Carrera GT

BTW, you could buy 4 CGTs for the price of the Veyron.

whats the retail on a CGT?

first car i would buy whould have to be a 98 Banzai RX-7

[man]

whats the retail on a CGT?

first car i would buy whould have to be a 98 Banzai RX-7

You can get a CGT for under 400k now.

[PhAtBoYMr2]

16cylinder,4 turbos, and 7 speeds = Not ugly

[OneSlow5pt0]

i also like to add the Veyron would get its ass handed to it on a track like Laguna Seca

[man]

16cylinder,4 turbos, and 7 speeds = Not ugly

Sorry, would never pay 1.5mil for a VW no matter how fast it is. Germans (VW) trying to pretend to be Italian (or French depending who you are talking to) = ugly.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Sorry, would never pay 1.5mil for a VW no matter how fast it is. Germans (VW) trying to pretend to be Italian (or French depending who you are talking to) = ugly.

and the W12 is way cooler than the Veyron

[man]

and the W12 is way cooler than the Veyron

agreed

[JustinSane110™]

I don't think SLR owners have to worry about their roofs flying off at 30mph...

Neither do Z06 owners since the Z06 is a fixed roof, thats the base C6 coupe with the roof issues which have been resolved and recalled.

[man]

Neither do Z06 owners since the Z06 is a fixed roof, thats the base C6 coupe with the roof issues which have been resolved and recalled.

That's where you are wrong
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...post1554953831

There have been many other cases with the Z, including a video where a guy just leaned back and kicked it off.

[JustinSane110™]

That's where you are wrong
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...post1554953831

There have been many other cases with the Z, including a video where a guy just leaned back and kicked it off.

Well I retract my previous post then, LOL!! I thought you were meaning the entire roof like it was a targa, not the shell part.

[man]

Well I retract my previous post then, LOL!! I thought you were meaning the entire roof like it was a targa, not the shell part.

Yeah it's kinda crazy and really shows that while it is a very affordable "supercar," you definitely pay the price when it comes to quality.

[OvErMiNd]

koenigsegg FTW

Veyron is REALLY ugly.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Yeah it's kinda crazy and really shows that while it is a very affordable "supercar," you definitely pay the price when it comes to quality.

thats y we stick to RX-7s.right,FCman

[man]

thats y we stick to RX-7s.right,FCman

Haha, yeah...

Still trying to figure that one out

[lightspeed]

16cylinder,4 turbos, and 7 speeds = Not ugly

Well, sitting next to an SLR, Enzo and a Spyker at a car show...its pretty ugly
They veyron looks the way it does for aerodynamic reasons. I dont think its hideous...its just awkward looking.

i also like to add the Veyron would get its ass handed to it on a track like Laguna Seca

The veyron isnt made to be an all-out track car. As a high-speed GT car, it is #1...nothing is even remotely close in performance.

I think some people get the point here... You can hop-up anything and make it perform well. These cars are about heritage, exclusivity and all-around performance.

Imagine if someone cracks the veyron's engine management and learns how to turn up the boost on that thing You know that if it makes 1000+ hp stock, its strong enough to make WAY more... It runs pretty mild boost stock...

[4dmin]

and the W12 is way cooler than the Veyron

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ABOUT? W16>W12 ANY DAY all W series motors are basically designed from the VR6 engineering

[OneSlow5pt0]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ABOUT? W16>W12 ANY DAY all W series motors are basically designed from the VR6 engineering

well in W12 i ment this

[FNR32]

I love how people here think that becuase the car is heavy, it will just automatically get it's ass handed to it on a road course. lol From the reviews ive read (since i obviously can't drive one) the car doesnt handle like a pig. Id like to see some laptimes for it. But i don't think that anything short of CCX, Enzo etc are going to "hand this car it's ass" on a road course.

[FNR32]

well in W12 i ment this

WOW, i question your taste in cars if you think that shit is "cooler" than a veyron.... But to each his own.

[4dmin]

that W12 is hot i would rock it over the Veyron b/c of style... but motor wise... W16 or W18 anyday over W12...

[man]

WOW, i question your taste in cars if you think that shit is "cooler" than a veyron.... But to each his own.

Well then I guess he, I and about 85% of the entire exotic enthusiast community are lacking in taste...

[OneSlow5pt0]

the stats on the W12 anrnt to bad

Engine
Type: W12
Displacement cu in (cc): 366 (5998)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 598(440) / 7000
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 458(620) / 5800
Redline at RPM: n.a.
Brakes & Tires
Brakes F/R: n.a.
Tires F-R: 255/35 ZR19 - 275/40 ZR19
Exterior Dimensions & Weight
Length × Width × Height in: 214.2 × 75.6 × 43.3
Weight lb (kg): 2645 (1200)
Performance
Acceleration 0-62 mph s: 3.5
Top Speed mph (km/h): 214 (350)
Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): n.a.

[FNR32]

Well then I guess he, I and about 85% of the entire exotic enthusiast community are lacking in taste...

Just becuase you have money, does not mean you have good taste in car. Taste is completly subjective. At this point in my life, if i were to buy an exotic, it wouldnt be the Veyron, I would never spend that much on a vehicle. IM just too tight with money. But i would not waste money on a W12 either, which i think would get out run by a Z06. Right now, id go for the Ferrari F430. Best, most well rounded, super car out there right now IMO. But i hope to at least get a 355 one day

[4dmin]

the stats on the W12 anrnt to bad

Engine
Type: W12
Displacement cu in (cc): 366 (5998)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 598(440) / 7000
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 458(620) / 5800
Redline at RPM: n.a.
Brakes & Tires
Brakes F/R: n.a.
Tires F-R: 255/35 ZR19 - 275/40 ZR19
Exterior Dimensions & Weight
Length × Width × Height in: 214.2 × 75.6 × 43.3
Weight lb (kg): 2645 (1200)
Performance
Acceleration 0-62 mph s: 3.5
Top Speed mph (km/h): 214 (350)
Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): n.a.

if your going to buy a car for a W12 motor you buy BENTLEY \/ style, class, power...

2004 Bentley Continental GT Technical SpecificationsEngine: W12Capacity: 5998ccBore/Stroke: 84x90.2mmInjection: Electronic, twin turbochargersIgnition: ElectronicValve gear: dohc Compression ratio: 9.1Power: 551 bhp @6100 rpmTorque: 480 lb-ft @1600 rpmTransmission Gear ratios: (1) 4.17; (2) 2.34; (3) 1.52; (4) 1.1;4 (5) 0.87; (6) 0.69; (FD) 3.52Steering: Power assisted rack-and-pinionTurns lock-to-lock:2.7Brakes, f/r: Ventilated discs, 405mm/mentilated discs, 335mmFront suspension:Four-link, air springs, adaptive dampers, anti-roll barRear suspension: Multi-link, air springs, adaptive dampers, anti-roll barWheels & tires: f/r: 9Jx19, 275/40 x 19DimensionsLength: 189.1 in.Width:82.7 in.Height: 54.7 in.Wheelbase: 108.7 in.Track (F/R):63.9/63.3 in.Curb weight:5258 lbPerformance (manufacturer's figures)0-60 mph:4.7 sec.Maximum speed:198 mphFuel consumptionUrban:10.8 Imperial mpgExtra urban:23.7 Imperial mpgCombined:16.5 Imperial mpg