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    Default Idle problem write up

    A while back, my civic dx (d15b7) was having an idling problem. The idle would surge up and down sometimes, and other times it would be ok.

    This went on for a month, and I finally got fed up with it. I began researching it on the Internet to see how to fix it.

    The fist thing I tried was cleaning the mesh on the Idle Air Control Valve, but that didn’t help. Then I was told, it might be my TPS (Throttle Position Sensor), but I wanted to try out one more thing, before I went and bought it a new sensor.

    So I found out that the real problem was the Fast Idle Thermo Valve (FITV from now on). And this is where we begin. This write-up should work for b-series engines as well, not sure about the others, but I’m guessing it should work with h-series, ect…

    Here is a picture of the FITV

    Step1- The first thing we will do is try and determine if this is actually your problem.
    We will begin by removing your intake from the throttle body. Now you should see two holes on the inside of the throttle body, we will be working with the bottom one. Here is a picture of the actual throttle body (it is not of my car, as I did this fix last week, I found this picture on the internet, but it should do fine.)




    Once you have done this start your car and let it warm up. When it is warm enough to where it would be good to drive, put your finger on the FITV hole in the Throttle body, as seen in the picture. If it still has suction then that means, the FITV is the source of your idling problem. If not, then try cleaning the mesh on your idle air control valve, replace the TPS, or check for a vacuum leak. But if this is your problem read on! J

    Step 2- Now we are ready to take the actual FITV off. The first thing you want to do is take the hose closest to the firewall off. Take the clamp off using a pair of pliers, or in my case, just your fingers. Some coolant will come out, but that’s ok, just put the hose to the side for now. Don’t take the other hose off yet, because it is much easier to get off, once you take off the actual FITV.

    Step 3- The next step is to take the three 10 mm bolts off from under the FITV. These are in a really tight spot and are a pain to unscrew, but just be patient, because hearing a smooth idling car in the end is very worth it. Here is a picture showing where the screws are located. I couldn't find a bottom view of the FITV, but this should give a good idea of where the screws are.



    Once you have taken off the three bolts off, you can take the other hose off in the same way as the first. The FITV will have some coolant left in it, so be careful not to get yourself wet as I did lol. After the hose is off, bring the FITV to the side.

    Step 4- Look at the front of the FITV which should look like this.



    Take the two screws that you see off along with the plate. Now you should see the plastic screw that we have been hunting for. Here’s the pic.

    Now what you need to do now is tighten that screw until it stops. Don’t tighten it too much, just enough to where it is snug with the lower part. This plastic screw, limits how far the piston inside can travel. This is done so the car can idle higher, in turn warming up faster.

    Step 5- Congratulations, you have just fixed your FITV. All you do now is put everything back together in reverse order. Be sure to clamp everything down perfect, and tighten the bolts down pretty well. That should do it.

    If there are any questions, feel free to ask.
    Leave me some feedback on what you thought was good. And please tell me if I have stated anything wrong.


    Hope this helps.
    Last edited by ranj; 07-16-2007 at 03:53 PM.

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    LMK if you guys think this is a good write up, its my first one.

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    Actually that was a pretty good write up. i had the exact same problem with my car and spent like 3 months trying to figure it out finnaly my freinf fixed it for me. +1 on the write up.very well detailed

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    thanks alot man.

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    My car just started doing this shit again lol
    I think i may have to buy a new valve now casue i took it back out and retightened it and the problem still persist. i also tryed cleaning out my IACV wiht no luck.... lol

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    Wish i had seen this before i spent all my money trying to fix what wasnt broken! My F22B1 also had the same idle surging problem. MIL showed it was the IACV and the TP sensor. I ended up replacing that, the EGR valve and almost all vaccuum lines before i figured out it was the FITV. So I believe this should work the same way w/ F series and H series (very few people on this board have and F series. hehe)

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    yeah i've seen this write up on other forums.. haven't had a chance to try mine yet!!! but i hope it's that!!! my idle problem is awful!!!

    hektik- i also saw a write explaining that it could be the plunger on the fitv so check that out too!!!

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    THIS FIXED MY PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!

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    not alot off people know how to fix this idle problem (OLD_) but nice non the less. just remember not every honda idle problem leads to the FITV. just one of the easy solutuons


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    thanks alot guys.
    glad it helped you killer lol! and thanks for the rep.

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    my brother did something a bit different....more drastic...but it works tho....i be better off not telling about it...but every good write up

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    Thanks

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    Yeah good write up
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    i actually managed to adjust it without even talking the fitv off.. i just wiggle my hands in there and took the plate off and adjusted it myself.

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    haha nice. very talented hands you got there lol.

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    ... not quite.. my knuckles and hands were pretty cut up after that! lol, just determination.. and i couldn't get the bolts off with the tools i had, and i didn't want to strip them.

    one thing.. i still have suction ont hat bottom whole, just not as much. ??? is that normal?

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    yeah thats fine. mine did the same. just as long as its not as much as before.

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    my idle sucks i hope thats the problem we already tried changing the iacv with no luck



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    try it out, more likely then not its this, but as i stated in the writeup it could also be your TPS or even a vacuum leak. There is a really easy way to check for vacuum leaks to. so while i'm at it here it goes. i don't know how effective this is but you can just take off your intake and cover the throttle body with something (your hand will probably work), while the car is running, so that the motor gets no air, if it turns off, no leak, if it turns doesn't off you have a leak. i think that way would only be effective for really major leaks though, but i hope it helps you guys out there.

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    haha it worked man i had oz change it in about 15 and now it only acts up once in awhile but much improvement late night reps for u



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    nice, glad this helped.

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    bump

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    you saved me here dude thanks i took it out cleaned it and tightened it and no idle probs ya mutha suckaSS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmhondager
    you saved me here dude thanks i took it out cleaned it and tightened it and no idle probs ya mutha suckaSS!!!
    lol np glad it helped

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    im glad i found this shit the other day!! saved my life
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    lol i think this thread should be stickied then since its such a common problem lol.

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    yeah, sticky this!

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    yo ranj did u get my pm?



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    yeah i just pm'ed u back sorry for the late pm's i wasn't home till 9 and i just finished all my studies.

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    i vote for sticky as well......



    i fixed my idle problem the same way right. and then it started back up so i thought the screw had came loose once again... tryed to retighten it no luck so i made a block off plate to go in between the fitv and the throttle body. worked ... good shit... then the other day i clean my throttle body with some carb cleaner and a tooth brush and now the problem seems to want to start back up...WTF i think im just going to get an aftermarket throtle body withohut the fitv

    either way sticky this shit cause ive heard plenty of hondas at meets with bouncing idle............

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    thanks guys for backing the sticky lol

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    definitely needs to be tagged



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    bringing this back

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    gonna try this on monday. hope it works. my idle problem is pissing me off
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