Thinking of starting a new project, what engine should I use?

[allmotoronly]

That's right, ban me because you can't back up you BS biased info.


Your argument skills are better than mine? LOL! You can't even spell! I won't even mention grammar.

lmfao.. What are you, 12?

he backed up his info. are you blind or just fucking dumb. you on the other hand have not backed up anything. How is his info biased. Ask ANYONE on here or IL or H-T who MR 2JZKIDD or MR VTECKIDD or VTECKIDD is and they will set you strait. He is pretty much THE honda expert around here. you are a nobody. what have you done? what have you built of accomplished. Nothing, you cant even prove YOUR BS BIASED INFO

[H23]

just ban his ass. he is just making as ass of himself. it is pretty amusing though. this kid doesnt know what the FUCK he is talking about. after MR 2JZKIDD proved him wrong all he could come up with was


what a douche

Re-read my post.

again H23, get the FUCK out of this thread if you are not contributing to MY THREAD, which you are not.

For the OP, to stay on topic, go with the F20b. It's got the power of an H22 with iron sleeves. 200 hp would be plenty as is, but if you ever feel the need to build it/boost it or both, you don't need to deal with FRM. The K-series shouldn't even be in here with a $4k budget..

However, I don't really know why I'm helping you after calling me a "dumb son of a bitch." Go ahead, listen to 2JZ boy.

We all know that B series parts are easier to find, and the gearing is clearly better in the GSR tranny. If anyone is an expert on N/A H22A's its me. I have had a couple and I know what works and what doesnt. I may not say a lot here on IA but I am around. The SiR S-spec tranny I had in my last prelude was cool, except for the fact that it was impossible to find a replacement. If i needed a GSR tranny, I could make a few calls and have one TODAY. If I needed a LSD H22A tranny, I would have to make a few calls TO JAPAN since they never offered a LSD tranny in a USDM H22A powered car. Only the JDM models got LSD. The JDM 4g prelude SiR and the JDM 5g Prelude SiR S-Spec/ CL1 Accord Euro R. Get your facts right before you get on here and run your stupid fucking mouth.

Where exactly have my facts been wrong?

[allmotoronly]

Link?

Because seeing how the 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear are identical and 1st and 2nd are extremely close, I doubt the tranmission alone would help almost half a second.


That's funny, I didn't know H22 and GSR transmissions were swappable. Oh wait, they aren't.


Considering an H22 swap with an LSD tranny from HMO would run $600-700 less than a B18 swap and you get 10-20 more horsepower with .4L more to work with, you'd be stupid to get the B18 swap.

for one thing, its called a h2b conversion (H22A with B series tranny), so yes the GSR tranny will bolt up. for another, we never tried to prove that the GSR was better because it is easier to get. Its better because it is geared better, has a better FD, costs less, and its stronger and will not drop second every time you dump the clutch on slicks like the H22A tranny's. LSD H22A tranny's are expensive and hard to get.

What have you had? I have had 5 or 6 different H22A engine/tranny combinations, so I know how hard parts are to get for them. JDM tranny's take forever to get, JDM engines take even longer.

Your advice has not helped me except to realize that you dont know shit about H-series engines/tranny's.

[allmotoronly]

whats with giving me neg. rep points? This is my thread. If I do not want your opinion, which I dont, that doesn't mean you should just give me neg. rep. whatever man. Your opinion is not needed here so I would appreciate it if you would leave my thread.

[H23]

for one thing, its called a h2b conversion (H22A with B series tranny), so yes the GSR tranny will bolt up. for another, we never tried to prove that the GSR was better because it is easier to get. Its better because it is geared better, has a better FD, costs less, and its stronger and will not drop second every time you dump the clutch on slicks like the H22A tranny's. LSD H22A tranny's are expensive and hard to get.

Considering an H22 swap with an LSD tranny from HMO would run $600-700 less than a B18 swap and you get 10-20 more horsepower with .4L more to work with, you'd be stupid to get the B18 swap.

Good lord.. do you research anything?

What have you had? I have had 5 or 6 different H22A engine/tranny combinations, so I know how hard parts are to get for them. JDM tranny's take forever to get, JDM engines take even longer.

STFU. You are full of shit. 5 different combos? Right. I bet an H22a4 was in one of them.

Did I not tell you? I've built 20 different H22bs along with 10 more H22a's with M2B4's. Not one of them has failed and all of the H22a/M2B4 combos ran quicker times at the track. See how easy that is? Back it up with some proof. However, to be honest, I don't really care how many engines you've built.

Your advice has not helped me except to realize that you dont know shit about H-series engines/tranny's.

What, in the sense that I knew H22's are FRM and that an F20b would be better because it's iron? In the fact that I knew the H22 LSD tranny code was M2B4? I don't know where I've been proven wrong about H-series engines. I'm not the one comparing the H22a4 to other Honda motors.

Open deck rawks!!!

[allmotoronly]

read my original post. I explained the difference b/t the F20B and the H22A4...

I also have listed a COMPLETE tranny code list and gear ratio list for every H-series and most worth while F series tranny out there. READ THE SHIT BEFORE YOU TYPE.

I have had a JDM TYPE S swap, a JDM SiR S-Spec swap, A Euro R longblock with the SiR S-Spec tranny, a SiR S-Spec engine with the oem USDM tranny, a JDM H22A (OBD II) with a USDM tranny, and a H22A4 with a JDM LSD tranny.

[allmotoronly]

thats 6. by the way... theres no such thing as a H22B

[allmotoronly]

for the last time, leave my thread. Your info is useless repeats of what I or someone else has already said.

[H23]

read my original post. I explained the difference b/t the F20B and the H22A4...

I also have listed a COMPLETE tranny code list and gear ratio list for every H-series and most worth while F series tranny out there. READ THE SHIT BEFORE YOU TYPE.

How does this have anything to do with what I have posted.. you just say stuff to insult me when it really doesn't have anything to do with what I have said.

Bravo.

I posted about how the F20b is iron sleeved.. read your shit before you type!!!!


.........

H2b.. wtf ever.


I'm confused. When you're such an expert at building all motor setups, and you've built so many, why do you have to ask others? Why would you use the a4 as the example for the H22, being the only open deck, and weakest motor?

Why the hell is the B16B in there? More importantly, the K series. You have a 4k budget. Being as "experienced" as you are, that motor is nowhere near your price range.

Read YOUR shit before you type. Telling everyone you've had previous motor setups doesn't make you cool.

[allmotoronly]

READ MY ORIGINAL POST IN THIS THREAD. IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT THE F20B HAS IRON SLEEVES, NOT FRM. I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF YOU KNOW THE TRANNY CODE FOR THE LSD TRANNY. I KNOW EVERY TRANNY CODE THERE IS. man you can keep BSing all you want but everyone here will still know that you are full of shit and dont know what you are talking about. I have more important shit to do than argue with some 18 year old kid. 1987 huh... IM SURE you have had time to build 30 engines in the last two years that you could drive. get a life. I have shit to do tonight. its past your bed time anyway.

[H23]

will still know that you are full of shit

How? I'm not the one saying that I've built 6 previous H-series setups without any damn proof.

IM SURE you have had time to build 30 engines in the last two years that you could drive.

LOL.. you believed that? That was 100% sarcasm buddy.

[allmotoronly]

obviously I didnt believe it if i just called you out about it. Since you have only been a member here for a week or so... I guess you missed my proof. What do you want... pics, recipts? I have both. get a life kid.

[H23]

I have a life, actually. A girl, a nice car, good job.. I don't need to tell people to "get one" to make me feel better about myself.

At the end of the day, atleast I know I won't be asking people whether I should put a B16B or H22a4 into my Civic coupe.

[allmotoronly]

I have a life, actually. A girl, a nice car, good job.. I don't need to tell people to "get one" to make me feel better about myself.

At the end of the day, atleast I know I won't be asking people whether I should put a B16B or H22a4 into my Civic coupe.

whatever man... its just food for talk. I dont have a civic coupe, I have a CL type S, a Z71, and a vintage Trans Am. I had about $8000 extra laying around and was thinkng about starting something new. I wanted to find something I could modify and still get good mileage and reliability out of, so I said a civic coupe. I may not even get one. I have $8k to spend and I cant make up my mind on what to spend it on. If you actually have a life, then why are you wasting your time (as well as my time) posting useless shit on my thread that I do not care about. You gave your original opinion and I did not agree. deal with it. Its my thread. If you dont like it, go somewhere else.

[98vtec]

That's funny, I didn't know H22 and GSR transmissions were swappable. Oh wait, they aren't.

you are an idiot.

You talk about all this knowledge shit yet you have never heard of H2b

gtfo noob.

[98vtec]

he's just ignorant mike, just let him be.

[allmotoronly]

he's just ignorant mike, just let him be.

he's just a dumb kid.... look at his b-day. dec 1987...

[Wurm]

H23 get the fuck off IA take you ass back behind your shed and go about your goat fucking

[allmotoronly]

H23 get the fuck off IA take you ass back behind your shed and go about your goat fucking

+1 LOL

[Ludester]

allmotoronly so what you gonna do?

to Mike... I really don't tranny is better. For the record I have t2w4 tranny. Yes they are hard to come by but none the less I have one. Our war with b vs h in any category is not over lol. I like the final drive of the gzzr but I feel it's a little too high. It does however compliment the gearings well.

H23.... he presents some good argument but at the same time is bashing Mike lol. all three of you allmotor/mike/h23 are funny lol.

8 grand allmotor? you can do a lot with that. All I can say is think about what you like. It seems you like the h series so I don't see a reason for you to change. The f20b is in the same class as the h's so it would be respectable and different at the same time. How many f20b you see in cars in ga? I've only seen one and it was pictures over the net (boosted Lude). Just something to think about.

[allmotoronly]

allmotoronly so what you gonna do?

to Mike... I really don't tranny is better. For the record I have t2w4 tranny. Yes they are hard to come by but none the less I have one. Our war with b vs h in any category is not over lol. I like the final drive of the gzzr but I feel it's a little too high. It does however compliment the gearings well.

H23.... he presents some good argument but at the same time is bashing Mike lol. all three of you allmotor/mike/h23 are funny lol.

8 grand allmotor? you can do a lot with that. All I can say is think about what you like. It seems you like the h series so I don't see a reason for you to change. The f20b is in the same class as the h's so it would be respectable and different at the same time. How many f20b you see in cars in ga? I've only seen one and it was pictures over the net (boosted Lude). Just something to think about.

One of the main reasons I like the F20B is because it is rare. BOOSTED LUDE said his runs really good, as good as the H22A4 his car came with.
And as for H23, he has not backed up any of his arguements with facts like me and MR.2JZKIDD have done. He'll probably be back though.... bastard gave me neg rep points just because I proved him wrong. everybody hit me up with some pos rep points to make up for his ass... LOL

[H23]

God you're pathetic. I need a life? You're the one who cares about rep points on an internet forum.

Ok, so I haven't heard of the H2b. Why not? Because I wouldn't waste my time swapping a GSR tranny onto an H22.

Back up what facts? All I have been doing is making fun of you this entire time because you don't know anything about Honda motors. So you've swapped a JDM motor and transmission. So what? That doesn't mean anything to me.. I bet that H22a4 rawked.

That's like racking me for not knowing about swapping a redtop SR into a Lude. I don't know about it because its a fucking waste of time. So what?

[EmminoDaGreat]

why would they make a H2B conversion kit,wasting time,money, etc... if the B series tranny's werent better,have more aftermarket support, and abundant...

thats my

[allmotoronly]

whatever... thats the best excuse you can come up with? The only reason I care about the rep points is because you gave me a neg for no fucking reason. How do I not know anything about honda motors? I have proved you wrong or previously said everything that you said. You're going to have to do better than that...

Go choke on some more cock

[allmotoronly]

why would they make a H2B conversion kit,wasting time,money, etc... if the B series tranny's werent better...

thats my

exactly. remeber... theres no such thing as a gsr tranny bolted to a H22A according to this kid.

[Cliff]

b20/k20 whatever block with b18c1 head

[allmotoronly]

uh... the B18C1 head will not fit a K series block...

[Ludester]

b20/k20 whatever block with b18c1 head

again .... I think you might of miss typed that

[Vteckidd]

why would they make a H2B conversion kit,wasting time,money, etc... if the B series tranny's werent better,have more aftermarket support, and abundant...

thats my

DING we have a winner

[§treet_§peed]

DAMN AN SR20DETT?!

TWIN TURBO SR20?

HELL YA!

TWIN TURBO 4 CYL FOR THE WIN!

Joo know how i do!!! i was hoping somebody would catch that shit...BWHAHAHAHA

[allmotoronly]

you think he would listen since everybody else is agreeing against him.

[98vtec]

God you're pathetic. I need a life? You're the one who cares about rep points on an internet forum.

Ok, so I haven't heard of the H2b. Why not? Because I wouldn't waste my time swapping a GSR tranny onto an H22.

Back up what facts? All I have been doing is making fun of you this entire time because you don't know anything about Honda motors. So you've swapped a JDM motor and transmission. So what? That doesn't mean anything to me.. I bet that H22a4 rawked.

That's like racking me for not knowing about swapping a redtop SR into a Lude. I don't know about it because its a fucking waste of time. So what?

teenagers

you just dont understand many things do you?

[allmotoronly]

LOL

[twinj]

I say K20, personal opinion i just like the motor. (I just want to see one all motor see what one makes all motor)

[Da_unknown]

^^ not a bad idea but its the most expensive swap for a honda right now... people have gone broke trying 2 do this shit...

[Black R]

.....just joining this late because it's starting to get good.

$8k is your budget including the car? Then we need to go back and think about your GOALS for the car... will it be NA or FI? Will it need to negotiate races that have turns or just in a straight line? Will you be sad if the idle surges or is quite lumpy?

If you haven't bought a car yet, then I'd suggest something cheap and throw a 2jz into it..... :P

If you're simply stuck on honda's and that's why this list is here, then obviously the kseries is out simply because you'll need quite a bit of extra $ to shoehorn that motor into any honda that's worth a damn ff... eg, ek, dc2, etc... not to mention the premium the Kseries is commanding on the market.

I don't know much about the H, but in the past it hasn't gained the aftermarket support that the bseries has. I'd probably go with the b18c in whatever form you can afford. BUT if you intend to build a motor, then I wouldn't necessarily buy a swap from hmo or anywhere else - I'd more than likely build a 2L B.

I'm a tranny afficionado, so I'd still recommend the b for that reason - or even an h22 with h2b adaptor plate and run a usdm itr tranny with 4.9 final.

Here's some quick gearing breakdowns of the itr and some other variations which I have employed (and enjoyed):

http://www.ff-squad.com/tech/temp/Bgears.htm

http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/ats-product...mparison.shtml


And I doubt it'd be much fun for an h22 to have my B18c5 tranny with ATS final drive and ats 1,2,3,4,5 gearset:

Gear Ratio Final MPH @ 9200 RPM @ 80 MPH

1 - 3.077 - 15.18 - 42.2 - 17423
2 - 2.105 - 10.35 - 62.0 - 11879
3 - 1.652 - 8.13 - 78.9 - 9334
4 - 1.308 - 6.46 - 99.3 - 7410
5 - 1.033 - 5.08 - 126.3 - 5827
Axle ratio - 4.929
Tire diameter - 23.44" (205/50/15)

[Black R]

the t2t4 is the accord sir tranny ...

The gsr and the t2t4 tranny are amost identical. first longer on the accord. second longer on the gsr. Third longer on the accord. forth and fifth are identical. that's interesting... So even with a t2t4 having a stronger first and third you still say advantage gsr? ok....

If I was to build a n/a h I would use this tranny below. Long first quick second. Strong third and forth with a good fifth. But I'm not building a n/a h. At least not in the near future...
U2Q7
1: 3.285
2: 2.090
3: 1.481
4: 1.071
5: 0.870
final drive 4.266

I can see the gsr give chase in third but forth is still quick on the u2q7.

Good job mike but I beg to differ so for on YOUR opinion .

Type R gearing please?

GSR Tranny
1: 3.230
2: 1.900
3: 1.360
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.4

BUT here's the killer.....

USDM ITR TRANNY:
1: 3.230
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.107
5: 0.848
Final Drive 4.4

OR

JDM ITR TRANNY:
1: 3.230
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.785


And of course, the most popular upgrade is a usdm itr tranny with 4.9 final drive:
1: 3.230
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.107
5: 0.848
Final Drive 4.929


There are so many affordable bseries gearing options out there now... you can buy the jdm 4.7 final for pretty cheap... and many companies have a 4.9 and gearsets - many of them forged. Check out GearX, MFactory, SRR, or ATS, CUSCO, etc..... :thumbup:

[allmotoronly]

Just to update this, I just got a 97 GSR (Milano red, 80k miles, one owner, completely stock) and now I have about $2k-$2.5k left over. I have decided that this is definitely going to be my daily driver, and as for the gear ratio's, I like the GSR tranny. The USDM ITR tranny has a higher ratio 5th gear, which means gas mileage is out the window. I like the gear ratio's of the JDM ITR tranny, but the final drive is higher, and gas mileage would still be out the window. I drive about 30 miles on the highway every day at about 75-80 mph, and with a type r tranny, at 80 I would be turning like 5k rpm, which I do not want to do for 60 miles every day. anyways, I have decided to start with a Blox IM, Password power chamber, jdm 4-1 header, 2.5" omni test pipe, RS-R Exmag catback, cams, valve spring/retainers, type R intake valves, type R pistons and rods, and a type R ecu since I am eliminating the secondary intake runners on the intake manifold. I am looking for 200-210 whp. and more suggestions would be great.

[eViLMunkey]

K20 all the way