TODA, JUN, SPOON CAMS?????

[IntegraXTR]

hmmm, maybe you misunderstood what I was tryin to say. First off if you wish I will post links to JUN and Toda's website and IT WILL SHOW YOU LIFT, DURATION, HIGH CAM, COIL BIND, etc. So please do not insult me with that because I have not said anything about your build or what you do. Second, I don't care for numbers, you're sitting there and telling me that numbers is whats going to determine the winner, well there are other influences too such as driver, r/t, etc. Have you ever ran a fully built motor straight from JUN? Wanna try one? call auto options and ask for DYNO, and I put money on this race saying he will murder your 237whp LS/VTEC. I've watched him take down 500+whp B16 all day from a dig, if thats not enough then why don't you go take on TIMMY. NUMBERS DON'T MEAN SHIT ON THE STREET, I've seen these two ppl cars and numbers, but yet they're still taking down higher hp cars.

P.S. If it bothers you so much then I will post a link to the specs on toda spec B, A2, C2 cams and also JUN Stage 3.

[Vteckidd]

hmmm, maybe you misunderstood what I was tryin to say. First off if you wish I will post links to JUN and Toda's website and IT WILL SHOW YOU LIFT, DURATION, HIGH CAM, COIL BIND, etc. So please do not insult me with that because I have not said anything about your build or what you do.

Simply looking at specs an actually understanding what they mean are 2 different things. Since you want to start this pissing contest, go ahead an tell me the differences between the Toda, Jun , Pro 1 cams at .040 , 12.5mm lift.

Second, I don't care for numbers, you're sitting there and telling me that numbers is whats going to determine the winner, well there are other influences too such as driver, r/t, etc.

Which is what i said in my previous post. You said :
" I have seen a ls/vtec built with skunk2 and lose all day to JUN"
Ok, wher ethe cars the same wieght, same driver, gearing, etc? if not then that was a worthless comment.

Have you ever ran a fully built motor straight from JUN? Wanna try one? call auto options and ask for DYNO, and I put money on this race saying he will murder your 237whp LS/VTEC.

LOL, i know Dyno for YEARS. He doesnt even OWN that motor anymore, an it was an Endyn Motor, NOT a jun motor. it had JUN cams, thats all. It had rollerwaves and Endyn Head. So maybe you want to get your facts str8. It had a DTR header, hell i PAID for the header FOR DYNO with MY PAYPAL account cause he didnt have one.

Dyno an i are friends, and last time i spoke to him, he sold that motor, and now runs a 1.8l motor with PRO1s. i know cause i gave him the BASEMAP

If he wants to run , ill run him for fun, but not because your doing cheerleading for him. Even Dyno knows that 240whp vs his motor wouldnt be a fair race, id prob be better off running his brother Mike in his EG. It would be like me having a B16 racing his old Endyn 2.0l motor, its 2 different setups.

I've watched him take down 500+whp B16 all day from a dig, if thats not enough then why don't you go take on TIMMY. NUMBERS DON'T MEAN SHIT ON THE STREET, I've seen these two ppl cars and numbers, but yet they're still taking down higher hp cars.

Numbers mean everything. So what, you saw them beat SUPPOSEDLY 500whp cars, what cars were they, if they make over 500whp I KNOW WHO THEY ARE. ANY car that makes 500whp should murder a NA car. sorry man. Other wise , its a REALLY SHITTY driver in that 500whp car. I never said that numbers were the absolutution. But in any setup, a TUNED setup will be better than an UNTUNED setup.

Your basing all your info off a couple of street races you saw LOL, good luck. try finding REAL INFO, cause the info you are using is based on conditions, not FACTS.

P.S. If it bothers you so much then I will post a link to the specs on toda spec B, A2, C2 cams and also JUN Stage 3.

t doenst bother me at all, im just telling you that basing your camshaft choice on "my boys car with JUN beating another car with Skunk2 cams" is complete idiocy. If you posted a dyno that PROVES your claims, then thats fine. Hell i used to DESTROY jun an Skunk2 cars in my OLD GSR with Rocket Motorsports cams, does that mean they are the best EVAR!!!!!

I never said JUN an TODA suck, what i did say was that the Skunk2 and RM cams have BETTER profiles and make MORE power. those are FACTS that arent based on bullshit street race outcomes. They are based on lift, duration, hundreds of dyno sheets. Also NDRA TOP 10 , 7 people are using PRO Skunk2 cams, what does that tell you? professionals trust them.

dont take my word for it, do your own research