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    anyways, time for me to go to work. Truely got a laugh out of you Zosick, thanx for brightening the day of a less fortunate broke guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    me too.... but we're arguing speed. which one is faster $v$
    They are two completely different uses. the Outlaw won't drive 3 hors to the track, make its runs, and drive back home. The Vette can do that with the A/C on, and playing some tunes. Ask your girl which one she would rather ride in....
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    Not really. I'll have more than that in my foxbody as soon as I change my bottom end.
    building a nice foxbody and building a fast foxbody are 2 entirely different ideas. If you cant build a 9 second foxbody for 15k then you're not doin it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    They are two completely different uses. the Outlaw won't drive 3 hors to the track, make its runs, and drive back home. The Vette can do that with the A/C on, and playing some tunes. Ask your girl which one she would rather ride in....
    completely different arguments. You're changing the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZOSICK View Post
    WhEn and where I'll deff be at mce track day, if that track your going too will let me run.. Ill try and make it..

    My car street car na req rollcage etc
    I love SDR, but never go to MCE Trackday, due to avoiding certain idiots that I would not like to be around.

    SGMP is a big race, honestly, you wouldn't have a chance except in running index - and probably not then either. Slowest class that they have is 7.50, which is a bracket. In the heads up classes, all the cars are full race cars, on controlled tires. I suspect that you are running larger than 275's, and if so, you would have to be running in the mid to high 4's to even have a chance to make the field.
    I won't be on the track until after I get the bottom end replaced. Pretty sure that I have a snapped/cracked ring, and I am getting a lot of oil in the catch can. Don't want to take a chance of putting oil on the track, and have someone crash because of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    You didn't build them right then. They are easy to make into fast street cars, but not on the stock 302 block. The stock 302 block is just too weak. The 351 is much stronger, and can make 750-800rwhp easily.
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    For 28k, you could build a foxbody to out run your corvette, a truck and trailer to pull it with and buy everyone at the race a hotdog.
    Well I havE a truck trailer and buy my boys beer after racing..

    So how much power you think I make ...?? . Problem is you have no clue and with your mentallity prob 380hp. Plenty of vids out there of my old setup the last one was 2weeks ago, me running a new gt500 mustang with ported blower, upper&lower pulleys, cai etc and he saw tail lights till they faded away...and we did several pulls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    building a nice foxbody and building a fast foxbody are 2 entirely different ideas. If you cant build a 9 second foxbody for 15k then you're not doin it right.
    If you are going to compare it to a nice Corvette with full interior and functionality, then it needs to be comparable. A gutted, lightweight foxbody with a tiny radiator, and nothing more than one seat and steering wheel is not a reasonable comparison.
    You made a hige effort to state how all the other Silvia's needed to sit like yours in the other thread, and had to have the same wheels, bumpers, etc. Either keep the same standards here, or go change your standards in the other thread, and pay out the $50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZOSICK View Post
    Well I havE a truck trailer and buy my boys beer after racing..

    So how much power you think I make ...?? . Problem is you have no clue and with your mentallity prob 380hp. Plenty of vids out there of my old setup the last one was 2weeks ago, me running a nee gt500 mustang with ported blower, upper&lower pulleys, cai etc and he saw tail lights and we did several pulls.
    If you aren't putting at least 650rwhp down, I would be surprised. I expect at least that from your car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    If you are going to compare it to a nice Corvette with full interior and functionality, then it needs to be comparable. A gutted, lightweight foxbody with a tiny radiator, and nothing more than one seat and steering wheel is not a reasonable comparison.
    You made a hige effort to state how all the other Silvia's needed to sit like yours in the other thread, and had to have the same wheels, bumpers, etc. Either keep the same standards here, or go change your standards in the other thread, and pay out the $50.
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    Ya I didnt build my car for the track but I will go for fun track days and race street cars
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    Street is more fun, and easier to get to.
    Track is good, but you need friends, tools, etc there to enjoy it,and you have to wait for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    They are two completely different uses. the Outlaw won't drive 3 hors to the track, make its runs, and drive back home. The Vette can do that with the A/C on, and playing some tunes. Ask your girl which one she would rather ride in....
    Know that's funny right there LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    If you aren't putting at least 650rwhp down, I would be surprised. I expect at least that from your car.
    My ls2 6.0 stock headed cam only and bolt ons na around 465 but on 100 shot it hits 88 mph and goes to 1985 lol

    But now my ish is a lil differnt
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    Oh yes....F.O.R.D( or as known internally, FixedOrRepairedDaily) i believe a for one to qualify as a "muscle" car it needs 350ci or more....
    After a while people on this site seem to develop some sense. You on the other hand are still as useless as before.

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    After a while people on this site seem to develop some sense. You on the other hand are still as useless as before.
    You obviously have no sense of humor if you thought i was making a serious statement here. I'm not a mullet wearing redneck that swings off the nutt sack of chevrolet....i swing off the nutt sacks of any fast car. For example, $vs$ i would love to own the new 5.0 vs SS any day of the week.

    Sinfix-an american super car, the ssc ultimate aero tt, is the fastest production car in the world. That is a fact. The second fact of this car, is that it runs a corvette motor....just saying. Oh and for a price of $285,000 vs the $1,000,000+ price tag of the veyron....i would say america is doing damn good.

    Z0sick/david88vert: My set up is a couple months away from breathing life again. If either of you care for a friendly street run ( in mexico of course)
    I have my uncle who is itching to run a well built car. He has yet to lose against anything on the street, c6z06,evo,porsche, ect.....either of you interested?
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    I'm hoping that I can get my new bottom end in the next 2-3 months. Have some other stuff to take care of first, and it will take them a month to built it, and another month to get it in. Until then, I'm running "ok", but limited life is left in mine.

    Who said mine was well built? I'm mostly stock...
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    I'm hoping that I can get my new bottom end in the next 2-3 months. Have some other stuff to take care of first, and it will take them a month to built it, and another month to get it in. Until then, I'm running "ok", but limited life is left in mine.

    Who said mine was well built? I'm mostly stock...
    Id say mostly stock is being bold, you have like one aftermarket engine component lol
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    My build is going to take a while too. I can't run my car at commerce anymore with out putting a full cage in it...being a dd i would really hate to do that. On another note, not many people in the Atlanta area tune LT1's. I have done my own datalog tuning....it sucks. With the new turbo i will desperately need someone to tune this thing, that or im going to have to switch to carbed. But, my uncle's car is very much ready....you might have actually seen him on the streets. He lives in the loganville area.
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    ok. im a chevy fan. cant stand a ford. but to each his own. ford spelled backwards, driver returns on foot. lol but anyways, to get a ford to run fast you need a chevy motor under the hood, an to keet the chevy on the track you need the ford rear end. butto the fact auto manual. auto all day because they are putting down alot of power an tq "pro mods". but its what you want though. have seen auto supras running 11s. no power loss. but what setup are you running with the turbos? i have a good friend that has a tt350 thats making 600hp on his lowest boost setting. thats a chevy. them my machine shop guy has a ford mustang tt. they are both close on peak hp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    Z0sick/david88vert: My set up is a couple months away from breathing life again. If either of you care for a friendly street run ( in mexico of course)
    I have my uncle who is itching to run a well built car. He has yet to lose against anything on the street, c6z06,evo,porsche, ect.....either of you interested?
    Yes ill Run you when your car is ready and your Uncles... But i dont run for fun so set it up

    What kind of car etc etc ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    My build is going to take a while too. I can't run my car at commerce anymore with out putting a full cage in it...being a dd i would really hate to do that. On another note, not many people in the Atlanta area tune LT1's. I have done my own datalog tuning....it sucks. With the new turbo i will desperately need someone to tune this thing, that or im going to have to switch to carbed. But, my uncle's car is very much ready....you might have actually seen him on the streets. He lives in the loganville area.
    Us Ford guys have Kurgan now.

    For LT1, you will have to talk to APF, Forest, Chris@HPS, etc, and see who you like.
    Or, you can try to bribe Bob to tune an LT1..... :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by boosted347 View Post
    Id say mostly stock is being bold, you have like one aftermarket engine component lol
    Hey, just an update. I'm going to stay with a Ford block. Not going to make enough power to need a Dart block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    Hey, just an update. I'm going to stay with a Ford block. Not going to make enough power to need a Dart block.
    Thought they split?
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    Can't afford to go all out with a $3000 block.
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    Z0sick- My car has a while to go lol. Like I said i am going to need a really good tune. But as far as my uncle goes....you may have seen him before in snellville/loganville. He has the red 2nd gen roe supercharged viper. license plate says vancica.

    David88vert: I have self tuned my car with Lt1 edit/tunercats....im out of knowledge now. Most people tune ls1/2/3 ect....im actually considering going to an efi 24x system and doing away with the dreaded optispark. My last set up with a t76 made around 550 to the wheels. This one i wanna go all out after having built my forged 383ci motor. Im wanting to run around 20psi so with a good tune it should make around 800. This has been a long process for me and lots of money. The last thing i want is to get someone with minimal experience in LT1 tuning and blow away my $5000 motor ya know? I had a shop locally try and tune my h/c/i set up a while ago....had nothing but problems. can you personally recommend anyone that you have had good experience with?
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    Can't afford to go all out with a $3000 block.
    I feel your pain lol. Sometimes we have to take shortcuts due to a lack of budget lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    Z0sick- My car has a while to go lol. Like I said i am going to need a really good tune. But as far as my uncle goes....you may have seen him before in snellville/loganville. He has the red 2nd gen roe supercharged viper. license plate says vancica.
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    Never seen it or hurd about it so that said..... Since your not ready I would ask you to ask him if he would like to do a dig race on the street for $250-$500
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    Z0sick- My car has a while to go lol. Like I said i am going to need a really good tune. But as far as my uncle goes....you may have seen him before in snellville/loganville. He has the red 2nd gen roe supercharged viper. license plate says vancica.

    David88vert: I have self tuned my car with Lt1 edit/tunercats....im out of knowledge now. Most people tune ls1/2/3 ect....im actually considering going to an efi 24x system and doing away with the dreaded optispark. My last set up with a t76 made around 550 to the wheels. This one i wanna go all out after having built my forged 383ci motor. Im wanting to run around 20psi so with a good tune it should make around 800. This has been a long process for me and lots of money. The last thing i want is to get someone with minimal experience in LT1 tuning and blow away my $5000 motor ya know? I had a shop locally try and tune my h/c/i set up a while ago....had nothing but problems. can you personally recommend anyone that you have had good experience with?
    Bob is one of the best tuners that I have met; however, he tunes Fords, and not LT1s that I am aware of.

    If I was in your position, I would go over to DynoLab in Marietta, and have Arthur call Roy to come tune it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    You didn't build them right then. They are easy to make into fast street cars, but not on the stock 302 block. The stock 302 block is just too weak. .
    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    Hey, just an update. I'm going to stay with a Ford block. Not going to make enough power to need a Dart block.
    Hmm Ricer move.... ^^^^

    oh my notch was 408
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZOSICK View Post
    Hmm Ricer move.... ^^^^

    oh my notch was 408
    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    I feel your pain lol. Sometimes we have to take shortcuts due to a lack of budget lol.
    I never said that I was taking shortcuts or going with a stock block......

    I considered a 408, but Bob is dominating his class with just a little 363, so there's no need to do a 408...
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    Never seen it or hurd about it so that said..... Since your not ready I would ask you to ask him if he would like to do a dig race on the street for $250-$500
    It's impossible for him to do a dig race. And he won't race for money....just sport and bragging rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    It's impossible for him to do a dig race. And he won't race for money....just sport and bragging rights

    david88vert- thanks man
    No wonder he hasnt been beat by those ''stock'' cars cruising the hwys ...

    ok ok what about Gas money and video bragging rights..??

    ''impossible'' Lmao im on Dot 19 inch street tires!!! Trust me plenty of 5/6 speeds can leave with high hp... its called a drivers race... but since He cant drive and skurd of a real race ill do a roll tell him to name it......!!!!! but no bs 45+ shit
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    Looks good man. I like the rear shot of it. What size rear tires?
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    Z0sick: Extremely hard to do races from a dig or even a low mph roll when you make over 800tq to the wheels. He too is running on 19" dot's...albeit they are 12.5" wide lol. He is scared of his car to be honest. I would be too. Maybe when commerce opens up you guys can race there. The officials will probably only let him get one pass since he has no roll bar lol....but you guys can get a run there and maybe a few on the hwy back home.

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    What's a fake car?
    Exactly. Hotwheels, Matchbox and a slew of other companies make fake cars. Any car tagged and insured (and some not, of course) and on the road are all real cars.

    And "muscle cars" go through to the 80s. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    Z0sick- My car has a while to go lol. Like I said i am going to need a really good tune. But as far as my uncle goes....you may have seen him before in snellville/loganville. He has the red 2nd gen roe supercharged viper. license plate says vancica.

    David88vert: I have self tuned my car with Lt1 edit/tunercats....im out of knowledge now. Most people tune ls1/2/3 ect....im actually considering going to an efi 24x system and doing away with the dreaded optispark. My last set up with a t76 made around 550 to the wheels. This one i wanna go all out after having built my forged 383ci motor. Im wanting to run around 20psi so with a good tune it should make around 800. This has been a long process for me and lots of money. The last thing i want is to get someone with minimal experience in LT1 tuning and blow away my $5000 motor ya know? I had a shop locally try and tune my h/c/i set up a while ago....had nothing but problems. can you personally recommend anyone that you have had good experience with?

    You should clear 800hp with the 383. The 350 made 800hp at the crank 20psi. Small cam hardy any noticeable lope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    If you are going to compare it to a nice Corvette with full interior and functionality, then it needs to be comparable. A gutted, lightweight foxbody with a tiny radiator, and nothing more than one seat and steering wheel is not a reasonable comparison.
    You made a hige effort to state how all the other Silvia's needed to sit like yours in the other thread, and had to have the same wheels, bumpers, etc. Either keep the same standards here, or go change your standards in the other thread, and pay out the $50.
    you're changing the argument.

    How fast a car is, how nice it is, how clean it is or how driveable it is are all completely different things.

    We're not arguing well rounded comfortable cars that can be street driven, simply said a foxbody can outrun Zosick for 1/2 the money. Dont put words in my mouth about anything else. I'm arguing nothing more than speed.

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    You should clear 800hp with the 383. The 350 made 800hp at the crank 20psi. Small cam hardy any noticeable lope.
    I would surely hope so. This things is getting to the point where i dont think it would be a practical daily driver anymore lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    you're changing the argument.

    How fast a car is, how nice it is, how clean it is or how driveable it is are all completely different things.

    We're not arguing well rounded comfortable cars that can be street driven, simply said a foxbody can outrun Zosick for 1/2 the money. Dont put words in my mouth about anything else. I'm arguing nothing more than speed.
    Then you need to go back to the other thread and pay out $50. You are quick to try to separate nice street cars from others there, but here it can be a POS as long as it is fast?
    Compare apples to apples, not oranges.

    Hell, I can buy a bike for a lot less that will beat these cars with no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    Then you need to go back to the other thread and pay out $50. You are quick to try to separate nice street cars from others there, but here it can be a POS as long as it is fast?
    Compare apples to apples, not oranges.

    Hell, I can buy a bike for a lot less that will beat these cars with no problem.
    This argument makes no fucking sense..... you're trying too hard to argue. Nothing said in this thread even remotely applies to anything in my other thread. I dont know how you wondered so far off the path with this argument, but you're really grasping at straws now.

    I said a 911 is a better car than the Zr1. It's a faster, more prestigious, more well rounded vehicle than the Corvette.

    Zosick replies with a $ v $ argument and says for the price difference he can make a Corvette out run the 911.

    well, throwing out all the obvious reasons the 911 cost more than the Corvette, i can pick a cheaper car and use the money difference to do the same.


    And on top of that...... you bringing up my car is another miserable fail. Not only is my car faster than 90% of the "POS race car" 240s... it also looks as good as the show car 240s... so explain to me how giving emphasis to either speed or "niceness" has any reflection on how i value my car? Whether you value speed or looks more.. makes no difference, has both equally. In this particular argument.................................. we were talking about speed and nothing more. Me talking about speed, is called staying in context, something you are not doing. Cant say anything about any topic ever without it somehow relating back to my own vehicle.

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