bullshit.... all REAL muscle cars use automatics.Originally Posted by Bacon
True but real muscle cars don't use automatics.
bullshit.... all REAL muscle cars use automatics.True but real muscle cars don't use automatics.
Many use Auto due to how difficult it can be to launch a manual. Then pull down the straight away shifting and keeping it straight on the track is another feat.
stock Silvia is only .6 seconds slower 0-60 than the "real muscle car" ws6 you posted. Not bad considering one of them is a 2 liter.
There's many other reasons to use auto.
Yes impressive and very true statement....yet realistically it take a lot to make up that .6stock Silvia is only .6 seconds slower 0-60 than the "real muscle car" ws6 you posted. Not bad considering one of them is a 2 liter.
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Sinfix ive never seen someone take a stock 240 or silvia to the track and brag about it....American Muscle is what legends are made of.
F-fuckedOh yes....F.O.R.D( or as known internally, FixedOrRepairedDaily) i believe a for one to qualify as a "muscle" car it needs 350ci or more....
O-over
R-rebuilt
D-dodge
P-poor
O-old
N-nuckel head
T-thinks
I-its
A-a
C-cadilac
lol.
'nuff said....
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while i am at it
C-cracked
H-head
E-every
V-valve
R-rattles
O-oil
L-leaks
E-every
T-time
Stock...... 90% of american "muscle cars" were way more bark than bite. The imports we compare modern american sports cars to are out dated by over a decade now. A stock Silvia would out run probably every single production muscle car from the 60s-70s-80s and most of the 90s. A 454ss Chevelle is a mid 15 second car on a good day. 90s Mustangs (sn95s are the ones im talking about, not foxbodies) were some of the slowest cars on the road. Your avg fullsize work truck would beat a mustang from light to light.
PreLS1 chevys were nothing to write home about either.
You actually just compared a Silvia to 60's-80's Muscle cars ? That is like comparing a Ipod with a Cassette tape.
A stock 5.0 would ruin a Stock silvia owners worst nightmare.
I would very much beg to differ....think of the tire quality of the classic muscle/pony cars...you put crap tires on any car and watch it go nowhere. Also, my $3300 trans am ( when purchased stock with an axle back exhaust ) ran a 13.7@ 103mph...not bad for a 16 year old car at the time. I would love to see any stock silvia do that.....Stock...... 90% of american "muscle cars" were way more bark than bite. The imports we compare modern american sports cars to are out dated by over a decade now. A stock Silvia would out run probably every single production muscle car from the 60s-70s-80s and most of the 90s. A 454ss Chevelle is a mid 15 second car on a good day. 90s Mustangs were some of the slowest cars on the road. Your avg fullsize work truck would beat a mustang from light to light.
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we're talking muscle cars vs imports.... the only muscle cars that are "in another league" apart from traditional import sports cars are late 2000s. All the import kingpins went under in the late 90s.
Love the car, but not digging the wheels at all. Throw some
C5 Z06 wheels and it'll look sick.
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Not arguing the greatness of the LS1..... compare any stock non ls1 chevy to your top shelf import sports car from the 90s.
LT1: 285hp & 335tq-high 13-low 14 1/4mile times stock. ( 50 year old technology...also powers my car...)PreLS1 chevys were nothing to write home about either.
LT4:300hp &340 tq-mid to low 13s 1/4 mile.
LT5: 375-405hp& 370-385tq- mid to high 12s 1/4 mile stock.
Now...you were saying.....
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Nice car, cant ever go wrong with a black WS6.
LOL!!! You must have not experienced any high hp supercars.
It is not an automatic. It is a manual with paddle shifters and no clutch pedal.
Callin bullshit on a 13 second stock lt1.
You wouldnt get out of the 14s on slicks with a stock lt1 camaro.
Just posted examples of the LT1/4/5 all were from 92-97.Not arguing the greatness of the LS1..... compare any stock non ls1 chevy to your top shelf import sports car from the 90s.
Also, the LS1 made its debut in 97...so....show me a stock 90's import that compares......
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A stock lt1 camaro might run a 13.9 in Denver Colorado on slicks with John Force driving it with a 15mph wind gust at his back.
Those are facts my friend. I personally ran a 13.7@103 with a 94 trans am 6speed powered by an LT1. Car was bone stock with just an axle back flowmaster and drop in k&n filter.You underestimate greatly my friendCallin bullshit on a 13 second stock lt1.
You wouldnt get out of the 14s on slicks with a stock lt1 camaro.
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You mention GTR know how i know cause Chad posted lol
intake/exhaust aint stock. I still dont believe it. Not saying i dont believe *you.... but i dont believe you knew everything about that particular car if it ran that "stock"
also, you think the mid 90s Turbo imports wouldnt respond to intake/exhaust?
I do not consider a drop in filter with stock intake piping and aftermarket mufflers to be modifications that give any real power. I picked up maybe 5hp/5tq from those. I knew exactly what was done to the car. Since then I have invested around another 8k and have a car that should run low 10's/ high 9's if it can hook and it is still streetable. Show me an import for 12k that can do that. That R33 you posted was very nice and quick....but i was reffering to import cars that were sold here state side.intake/exhaust aint stock. I still dont believe it. Not saying i dont believe *you.... but i dont believe you knew everything about that particular car if it ran that "stock"
also, you think the mid 90s Turbo imports wouldnt respond to intake/exhaust?
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@Chad
Nope but I do know that I would drive an integra/civic fully modified to my taste, and park it next to my Pagani at the end of the day.
-considering I had all the money in the world stated in my OP
Show me one import or even high end supercar in 1990-1992 that even came close to this. The point comes back to this....you can not compare imports to muscle cars....thats like comparing a little league "little giants" football team to a professional Nfl team.In 1987, the factory B2K option appeared at dealers. The option's price was almost equal to the base price of the Corvette.
The Callaway Corvette was a Regular Production Option (RPO) B2K, the only time in Chevrolet's history a specialist manufacturer was entrusted with a technically advanced high performance RPO. The B2K option was critical in bringing a select few Corvettes to a higher performance level. Although often compared with Chevrolet's ZR-1 option, they were simply two different approaches to solving the issue of bringing a higher performance Corvette to market. The early B2K's produced 345 hp (257 kW) and 450 lb·ft (610 N·m) of torque. [4] The later B2K's produced 450 hp (336 kW) and 613 lb·ft (831 N·m) of torque. [5]
A derivative of the Twin Turbo Corvette, the 880 hp (656 kW) Callaway SledgeHammer, recorded a speed of 254.76 mph (410.00 km/h) on Ohio's Transportation Research Center track making it the fastest road-going car at the time.it would be alot of this...
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Show me one import or even high end supercar in 1990-1992 that even came close to this. The point comes back to this....you can not compare imports to muscle cars....thats like comparing a little league "little giants" football team to a professional Nfl team.
So to truely judge american vs japanese, we have to select japanese cars that are made in america? i dont get it....... the term "Americanized" pretty much means to make a sucky version.
Pretty much every year of Skyline starting with the R32 is a far superior car to anything american made. A 1990 GTR would absolute shit all over an Iroc Camaro. An R33 GTR would bitch slap the redneck off an Lt1 Camaro and an there's no denying that an R34 is far superior to the early 2k Fbodies.
Do you really want to compare Camaros to Rx7s or Supras year vs year?
I'm guessing you dont want to include an NSX into this import vs american debate either..... even though it's Honda's flagship sports car.
Now that i'm day dreaming back to the 90s............... are we really even having this conversation right now????????????????????????? There's no comparison. Pretty much from 1990 until the 03 Cobra, imports were dominant.
did you really just link that supercars.net bullshit to me......... seriously.... really???? if we're gonna go that route then........Show me one import or even high end supercar in 1990-1992 that even came close to this. The point comes back to this....you can not compare imports to muscle cars....thats like comparing a little league "little giants" football team to a professional Nfl team.
because this is as much of a production car as the lingenfelter corvette was.
Imports have almost ALWAYS dominated the performance automotive industry. The only reason Americans have an undeserved sense of self worth when it comes to automobiles is because we cant see outside of the box we live in. Even in this debate...... without saying this in advance... i handicap my own selection of import cars to argue with. I'm arguing with affordable import sports cars. We're not even scratching the surface of what's available overseas. If you bring Ferrari, porsche ect into this debate... then its American "muscle cars" that start to look like the little giants.
Amerikuhhhh!!!! where REAL MUSCLE CARS are made!!!!!
Last edited by Sinfix_15; 02-02-2012 at 01:00 AM.
I was referring to imports that were readily available for purchase here yes. How do you figure that imports dominated the automotive world in the 90's? lets do some comparison. I will name two cars off the top of my head, give me atleast one example for each that out performed said vehicle...ready?
1990-1996 corvette Zr1: 405hp & 385tq: 12.6-12.9 1/4 mile stock
1992-1995 dodge viper: 400hp& 465tq: 12.6 1/4 mile stock
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What's wrong with that? If he's competing in 1/8 or 1/4 mile bracket racing like most muscle cars, consistency is key.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth.
- John F. Kennedy
1996 Porsche GT2 - 12.1 stock 465hp
This will out run the new zr1.
You really want to try to compare new cars now too? How about this for some american pride...
Show me any import/exotic that comes any where near this for the price of $285,000.This car holds the record as the fastest production car in the world....and it bleeds red,white, and blue.
OR
Show me an import or exotic or euro trash that makes this much power 600hp & 560tq, does the 1/4 mile in [email protected] ALL MOTOR!!!!
And another great american contender:
638hp & 604tq 1/4 mile in 11.3@131 for a price of $121,000
Go ahead i will wait...any way you try to slice it...america has picked up its game and is a serious force to contend with
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the new 911 is way faster than the zr1............... already posted it.
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