its average for what someone would pay at a dealership.

it just sucks that they put as little as possible into the cars, and make SOO much on each one.

also, "lowballing" 500$ on a 9k car isnt "lowballing"

shold have requested 7k , and him say, "i could probably ge you out hte door around 8200, but that would be it" and then your happy. they are making soo much money already, and want to make a sale, they usually will negotiate