Jun Stage 3 cams

[jdmkiller]

looking at a set of jun stage 3's and was wondering what kind of power they would make.
b20, fully built, 12 to 1, ported gsr head, etc

[1civic]

looking at a set of jun stage 3's and was wondering what kind of power they would make.
b20, fully built, 12 to 1, ported gsr head, etc

All depends on intake, who did port work, etc... Those are nice cams, I played with the blox C which is a copy of the JUN 3...

[jdmkiller]

how did the blox's do?

[1civic]

how did the blox's do?

Un-ported head on hot ass day (107) it made 220/150, car was street tuned..

[Vteckidd]

Jun 3s are not a stage "3" cam . They are actually very mild almost identical to the skunk2 tuner stage 2s.

Bobby I think the blox cs are closer to the tuner stage 3s iirc. Still a good cam but not nearly as aggressive as the pro series.

[SPOOLIN]

blox cams are doo doo

[1civic]

blox cams are doo doo

coming from the guy who never used them...LOL, best bang for the buk!! HSL/C... Now a pro1 or pro2, for less than 450 new... I can't complain!!

[SPOOLIN]

yeah, ive built engines with blox cams on a simple skunk2 valve train. FLAT SPOTS within a few months and the driver didnt even beat it up!

[1civic]

yeah, ive built engines with blox cams on a simple skunk2 valve train. FLAT SPOTS within a few months and the driver didnt even beat it up!

and where do you think all these cams come from? Happens man, even with a billet cam shaft..

[SPOOLIN]

If ur sayin skunk makes them.... Then they are using a lesser quality material than their cores. I've had the same skunk cams for several years and they have eaten rocker pads before eating them selves prior to switching to a real oil.


www.MSSRACING.com

[1civic]

If ur sayin skunk makes them.... Then they are using a lesser quality material than their cores. I've had the same skunk cams for several years and they have eaten rocker pads before eating them selves prior to switching to a real oil.

All the cores come from the same place, and if I'm not mistaken Blox has the same cam grinder as your big name company, which they claim is done in house...LOL
Copy of a copy, which works to make power.. Not my choice for a Race motor, but good for a budget build and will turn heads..

Skunk2 grinds are proven, pro1 and pro2 are awesome for Boost and all motor... Pro3 has no limits all motor!! But not everyone has that money, so they look for others..

Now Blox has a Pro1 and Pro2, i'm interested in seeing the ramp rate, and over-all duration of those cams, I'd bet a copy, but they will work..

People say something can't be done, or say "it will not work", I say "why not","try it".. Same goes for boost or nos apps... You think my 12.5:1+ motor on a pro1 or pro2 would not be a beast with a 72mm turbo, hell even a 6262 would be crazy? I'm no turbo fan(no hate), but i'm still not afraid to shoot 100-150 shot, or even boost a High compression motor, knowing I have a good tuner..

just sayin!

[Vteckidd]

All the cores come from the same place, and if I'm not mistaken Blox has the same cam grinder as your big name company, which they claim is done in house...LOL
Copy of a copy, which works to make power.. Not my choice for a Race motor, but good for a budget build and will turn heads..

not true at all. They use different cores and different grinders, and skunk2 does a different step the other people dont.

Skunk2 tried the "blox" way with their K Series cams and you can go search what happened with them. Blox doesnt have the same specs, they tried, but its not the same. They are a poor copy at best.

You are right they do perform decently well, and if youre on a budget people will run them. But id never do it personally.

FYI BC5s are more aggressive than PRO3s.

[1civic]

not true at all. They use different cores and different grinders, and skunk2 does a different step the other people dont.

Skunk2 tried the "blox" way with their K Series cams and you can go search what happened with them. Blox doesnt have the same specs, they tried, but its not the same. They are a poor copy at best.

You are right they do perform decently well, and if youre on a budget people will run them. But id never do it personally.

FYI BC5s are more aggressive than PRO3s.

I tried to find that article I was reading, no luck though.. It had some info that was interesting, it was information which a cam grinder gave out.. If I find it again I'll post it...

As for the BC5's... Are they not a similar grind to the old 405? I've run the crower stuff(403-404) with good luck..

PRO3 VS BC5 .. Pro3 killed the BC5 all threw powerband..


I've also spoke to "All Motor" from Honda tech and he claims his "reaper" cam is more aggressive than a Pro3, but I'm not willing to risk it..
He claims to have the spec's from the RM cams, and then did his thing... Sure you heard.. second link "guaranteed to outperform any off the shelf cam NA, nitrous, sc or Turbo"
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2907597
http://hondamarketplace.com/showthread.php?t=2935199

[Vteckidd]

I tried to find that article I was reading, no luck though.. It had some info that was interesting, it was information which a cam grinder gave out.. If I find it again I'll post it...

Things may have changed since i talked to them but from what i heard/saw Skunk2 uses a company called TOSER for their coilovers/suspension/exhaust parts.

Their cams are cores bought here in the USA or Japan( i forget but its the same cores Honda uses for their OEM Cams). They are ground overseas in mass production, but they are given an additional heat treatment back here in the usa that blox and others DONT do. Their cams are more expensive to make for this reason. They use different , higher quality metal compatible with the Honda rocker arms.

David Hsu said they wont compromise on cam quality because of this reason. They want cams to last as long as OEM ones. Their track record (besides the K Cams) seems to back that up. The K Cams they tried to use non OEM cores, and they had a rash of problems with them.

Blox uses chinese cores , they arent the same quality as skunk2.

Not to be arrogant but i did a ton of business overseas in china, theres some info i cant post on here but if you PM me ill tell you. There to the cam industry than that.

As for the BC5's... Are they not a similar grind to the old 405? I've run the crower stuff(403-404) with good luck..

We tested BC5s vs PRO3s on my motor and several others and the BC5s always made more tope end power but suffered in the midrange. Thats why i kept my PRO3s. THe BC5s also had coilbinding issues IIRC with certain valvetrain.

I've also spoke to "All Motor" from Honda tech and he claims his "reaper" cam is more aggressive than a Pro3, but I'm not willing to risk it..
He claims to have the spec's from the RM cams, and then did his thing... Sure you heard.. second link "guaranteed to outperform any off the shelf cam NA, nitrous, sc or Turbo"
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2907597

isnt his name blake or chris or something? im willing to bet $100 his "cam" is actually Don Flores. They were talking about making cams awhile back as don has a guy at crower or web or something that makes custom ones for him all the time. Ive spoken to the All Motor guy before, he didnt seem like he had the technical knowledge to build a cam. Which is A TON of engineering, its not just lift and duration.

I highly doubt his cam is more viable than the skunk2 on average. Skunk2 has Hsu which is a Cal Tech engineer (west coast MIT), and millions of dollars of equipment to R&D. i cant see some kid on HT making a better cam than them HAHA

I personally still think the PRO3 is the best cam out. There are ones that will compare to it, or im sure its lost on some dynoes, but overall i think its tough to beat

[Vteckidd]

EDIT: those are rocket blanks.

Rocket is a cool guy, and i ran his M22Xs before anyone else and i liked them. But i had more success on Skunk2 cams personally. Im willing to be these are rocket designed camshafts, or don flores designed camshafts that rocket made and gave to someone else to sell them since rocket doesnt get on the forums anymore

and honestly that guy always talks alot but nothing ever happens. I had Rockets M24X Cams originally and they got slaughtered by my BC5s and PRO3s. Even though i was guaranteed "more power than anything else".
I highly doubt those reaper cams are anymroe than hype