kms valvetrain
I am building an all motor gsr and was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with the KMS stage 1 valvetrain. They seem at a good price and have read other reviews on honda tech and people seem to have good experiences with them. Have any of you used it and any problems??? I am trying to reach 200WHP to maybe a little more with some skunk2 pro2 cams and am trying to rev to 9000 safely without having to worry.
any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks
i read that they aren't that good. i believe vteckidd can vouch on that
i messaged vtec kidd... lets see what he says... dang theyre at a good price. its temptin... i really want skunk2 everything but dont have $1500.Originally Posted by AyO Deebo
I'm currently using KMS valve springs and retainers with no problem on my b20vtec. But if you plan on using Pro Series cams, then you should use the rest of the Pro Series lineup.
hmmmm good to know.... I want the skunk2 pro2 cams bad... i am not sure how they compare to the pro1s though... either or i want the best valve train I can find at a good affordable price or atleast one that I can rev to 9k and be reliable and not have to worry everytime I pass 8k.... maybe even 10k who knows
they will work but make sure the spring install height is correct and everything else.
if you want skunk to warranty their cams i suggest getting skunk 2 valve train you might not notice a difference but tust me their is.
skunk2 valvetrain is out of my budget.... The cams alone are 650 which I am hoping to save and buy and the entire KMS valvetrain is about 400...
So you are saying the KMS would do it, and I would be reliable staying between the 9 to 10k getting there on a daily basis.??
isnt KMS mahdavi motorsports?
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Why does everyone want to rev to 10k? LOL
To tell you the truth you're be lucky to see power at 9k dude. My suggest is let your tuner/dyno determine your redline.
lol im hoping i make power there. my concern is whether ill be able to rev to as high as i make power whether is 7k or 10k reliably... feel me?
what kind of compression are you going to have? pro2 cams are rated no less than 11.5
KMS suck.... I would use Supertech they aint expensive.
supertech is what im running
im running pr3 pistons which will yield me right areund there
i thought kms was a rebadged supertech?
have you ever used kms before?
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Nope, but a friend had a very bad expirence with them..... I suggest Ferrea over anything out there!
dang man thats exactly what I was going to write and then I saw you said it..... sooooo
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ohhh.... what happened with your friend?? how long he had it what motor and how high did he rev it?
yes they will work but with the pro 2's you don't just need to throw them in they need to be degreed in and the springs need to be setup the right way or you next post will be on how skunk cams and kms valve train caused your engine to go kaboom.
most people don't realize how big those cams are.. honestly you would be better suited with the pro 1's and just tell everybody you have pro 2's
thanks for the info... I will get the build done by someone who knows what theyare doing... so hopefully it is done right...
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please do i would rather not see you post about how your engine went to shit. and i would bet if you stick with pro1's and a nice header intake maniold throttle body etc that will flow some air you will make the almost the same power as the pro 2's.
the pro 2' should make about 10 whp in the midrange and about 5 whp peak over the pro 1's but thats with a nice header intake manifold throttle body and a good tune.
Last edited by all-mota; 05-06-2010 at 07:34 PM.
I have a skunk2 IM already...
Im buying a Kidd header (for sure)
2.5 straight pipe on apex muffler
and IM DEFINATELY going to scotty for a tune... this is what im shooting for and this is what I have (first list) and what I need (second list)
whats ur estimate on WHP?
Have:
S2 PRO IM
pr3 pistons .40mm over
440cc Injectors
arp rod bolts/ head studs
walbro 255 FP
AEM v2 cold air
Need:
valvetrain
cams
cam gears
header
2.5 straight pipe
KMS are just rebadged Supertech valve springs. Call supertech they will tell you the same thing. Now Supertech recently changed their retainers so i dont know if KMS uses the same retainers or they are using the older ones.
Personally i would get the SKunk2 valvetrain and PRO1s, you dont need PRO2s unless you have 2.0l 12:1 compression. Skunk2 NON PRO valvetrain (which is fine for PRO1s) is really inexpensive
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Those pistons and on a 1.8l you only need PRO1s or Tuner Stage 2s.
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even if is a little more expensive or trouble... i wanna get the best cams possible.... if it yields me 1whp+ reliably then is what ill do... what you think with a completel kms valvetrain
what I mean is... is it doable and reliable with the s2p2....
what I need to know is if I can run the KMS valvetrain with S2P2 cams and S2 adj. cam gears and rev to wherever my redline is reliably on a daily basis
Last edited by nelson9995; 05-06-2010 at 09:43 PM.
Yes you can run the kms but why when skunk2 is the same price.
Pro2s are a waste of money. Your motor isn't hot enough or built enough. Run pro1 or skunk2 stage 2s
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can you please show me where to buy the s2 for the same price??? cuz theres a deal on ebay for 450 the COMPLETE ENTIRE VALVETRAIN
so are you saying I will lose power with the s2p2??? cuz if not is what im doin lol... im thinking of the future too becuz ima open the motor again and do more to it in about a year or so
68 or 70mm throttle body and unless the skunk 2 mani is ported the performer x makes a little more power right out of the box. and as far as a estimate just put it all together and you will find out could be anywhere from 170 to 200 if your lucky
I've race the kms valvetrain setup using stage2 crowers (the n/a application camshaft) and they did me wonders, I had the setup for 3 years before selling the car. And KMS is local and you can probably pick up yourself, I did when i bought mines. iirc they were located somewhere near around I20/hwy78
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a little disappointing perhaps... we will see....
thanks for the info!
I have been running Crower 402s well over a year, and have not had any issues with my springs and retainers from KMS.
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HMM good to know! thanks man!I have been running Crower 402s well over a year, and have not had any issues with my springs and retainers from KMS.
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i mean it's a estimate you could make over 200whp if you get lucky or you could spend the money and get the head ported etc and make it even easier to make the power
yeah... i was thinking about that.... how much is a port and 3 angle valve job??
Kms valves are sucks
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Pro 1's and Pro 2's are really close in price ( I know because I deal em)
Also the valvetrain I believe you have to buy springs and retainers seperate, but dont quote me. skunk2 wise
Supertechs are like around 300 for everything
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Yeah. KMS is actually a couple miles from me. In Covington. My roommate has the head package in his gsr, and has not had any problems at all. The owner John Kaufman, (Kaufman MotorSports) is actually a nice guy, and will work with you if you have any questions or problems. I'm about to put the head package in my h22
Me and John worked together at the Honda dealer super nice guy but thinks his stuff is GOLDEN . He has a Super nice shop built at his house , (machine shop) and makes his own parts not re-badged like others are saying . He made me some parts and I watched him do it , He allowed me to stay with him 1 whole day and check his shop out . But price ( he's over price to me ) but with the money he has in those machines I see why . Lots of over head .
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