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    Default Interesting read about Garrett

    Employee Slams Garrett Turbo Quality
    Taken from another board: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1936851

    ""I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

    Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

    We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

    Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

    (They still use the garrett stamp on the turbos)""

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    awesome find

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    figured someone else would have posted it already.
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    Crap not going garret for my turbo lol.
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    i can vouch that my garrett crapped out(blu smoke) from day 1 when I got it.. I am not happy and they don't offer warranty on it at all...

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    i havn't used garrett in years...borg warner and precision are the best out there.
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    hhmm and i was gonna get one....well fuck it ill get one from the bay
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    Uh Spoolin iirc precision just makes covers. They use garrett internals. A precision turbo just means whatever Garrett internals with their compressor or exhaust housing unless something has changed.
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    and you all flame ebay turbos......... its the same thing.....

    lol

    honeywell is suffering from 6 sigma..... honeywell is a big company run by the numbers game...... 6 sigma is death for a long term profitable company......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    Uh Spoolin iirc precision just makes covers. They use garrett internals. A precision turbo just means whatever Garrett internals with their compressor or exhaust housing unless something has changed.
    Mike, NO.

    Precision makes their own center cartridges now. They are designed differently than Garrett turbos because precision was getting PISSED with all of the ball bearing failures. Precision makes their own air cooled shit, their own wheels, their own turbines, etc. .

    they still use some of the garrett hardware though but not on their real performance turbos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasb84 View Post
    and you all flame ebay turbos......... its the same thing.....

    lol

    honeywell is suffering from 6 sigma..... honeywell is a big company run by the numbers game...... 6 sigma is death for a long term profitable company......
    you are out of your mind if you think an ebay turbo is the same thing as a Garrett, or a precision, etc. Thats all i will say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPOOLIN View Post
    you are out of your mind if you think an ebay turbo is the same thing as a Garrett, or a precision, etc. Thats all i will say.
    Think he meant the "new" honeywell, made in mexico crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPOOLIN View Post
    you are out of your mind if you think an ebay turbo is the same thing as a Garrett, or a precision, etc. Thats all i will say.
    What are you talking about their all the same they all spin a little fan thingy on the inside......

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    Patterson, if you are so confident in Ebay turbos then go boost one to 30+ psi and see what happens. Good luck...

    Another thing, Precision uses certain Garrett hardware, as well as Garrett wheels in their turbos. But yes, it may be true they build their own CHRAs.

    The new 'S' series Borg Warner turbos are made with a CHRA and wheels designed by Borg Warner themselves. That's why you see the ETT in Borg Warner turbos, not in Garrett's.

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    They have their own line of shit now there was a big thing last year when garrett and precision broke away from each other. All precision billet wheels are made in house and all of their ball bearing stuff is not garrett anymore. Precisions billet wheels are insanely awesome.
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    I did agree that Precision makes their own CHRAs, as stated in my last post. And yes, that is true that they make their own wheels now, their billet wheels, an example being the new PTE6262R turbo. Their new line of turbos are vicious, and produce more power than their Garrett counterpart. However, if someone is not buying the new line of PTE turbos, then they may receive an older version of a PTE turbo, which have the Garrett wheels in them.

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    yes
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    As I said "unless somethings changed" obviously something has. Garrett went to shit
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    wow thats a real eye opener.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbomirage View Post
    Patterson, if you are so confident in Ebay turbos then go boost one to 30+ psi and see what happens. Good luck...
    It was just a joke. I know all about ebay turbos. i've had like 20 given to me after a few weeks of running when they take a shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patterson View Post
    It was just a joke. I know all about ebay turbos. i've had like 20,000,000,000,000,000 given to me after a few weeks of running when they take a shit.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasb84 View Post


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