Kia Forte Koup

[okra1981]

You are judging quality of leather by looking at a freaking picture? Go sit in one than talk.

And they are compared to a civic because that is the class the car is in.

And i don't think Car and Driver will compare any of the cars you mentioned to a $2600 protege

I'm judging the picture because that's what was posted, it doesn't look like good workmanship, just look at the side bolster for the driver's thigh, it already looks worn as well.
I think more magazines should compare a good used car to a new car equivalent, I'd put my cheap Protege up against anything five times it's price (it would at least make for a decent article or two, like the old Best Sports Car for Under $15k articles I've read in the past).
It's a quality issue that I have with Hyundai/Kia, my girl has owned one and I thought it was the worst thing on the road. It's nice and all to say that an auto company has "upped it's game" without any proof of long term testing and any proof of quality 100k miles down the road, but of course it has it's 100k mile warranty, which reminds me of a little bit of wisdom:

In the words of Tommy Callahan Jr.- "Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me."

I think my big problem with Hyundai/Kia is that they think that they've earned their way into the entry level luxury market and they pump out a $40k car. People will buy it, and people will say it's good to try to trick others into thinking that they aren't straight retarded, but those intelligent enough will realize that they missed out on a chance to own a quality vehicle.

[EP3sAreFun]

I'm judging the picture because that's what was posted, it doesn't look like good workmanship, just look at the side bolster for the driver's thigh, it already looks worn as well.
I think more magazines should compare a good used car to a new car equivalent, I'd put my cheap Protege up against anything five times it's price (it would at least make for a decent article or two, like the old Best Sports Car for Under $15k articles I've read in the past).
It's a quality issue that I have with Hyundai/Kia, my girl has owned one and I thought it was the worst thing on the road. It's nice and all to say that an auto company has "upped it's game" without any proof of long term testing and any proof of quality 100k miles down the road, but of course it has it's 100k mile warranty, which reminds me of a little bit of wisdom:

In the words of Tommy Callahan Jr.- "Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me."

I think my big problem with Hyundai/Kia is that they think that they've earned their way into the entry level luxury market and they pump out a $40k car. People will buy it, and people will say it's good to try to trick others into thinking that they aren't straight retarded, but those intelligent enough will realize that they missed out on a chance to own a quality vehicle.

Quit looking at pictures and just go take one for a damn ride. It sounds like you love your car so much that you would have such a biased opinion it wouldn't matter what you drive... you'd still have a big boner for your protege that everything else will be crap.

And i'm willing to put money down that if a crew of professional drivers drove your protege or a new kia forte. The forte would win

And of course Kia "upped its game". They now have a car that could be a legitimate contender against other popular sub-compact cars. They are also dumping money into racing the car. the car may turn into a huge flop, but for now Kia has definitely started going in the right direction.

oh... and your entry lvl $40k luxury car? what are you talking about?? the most expensive kai car is like $18k and the most pricy over all car is $26k

[BKgen®]

and people will say it's good to try to trick others into thinking that they aren't straight retarded, but those intelligent enough will realize that they missed out on a chance to own a quality vehicle.

lolol

I own one and I can guarantee you there's no "trickery" in Hyundai's new line of quality automobiles. You, sir, are completely misinformed and uneducated when it comes to the Hyundai/Kia of today. You, like countless other people, still see Hyundai and/or Kia as the same car company that they were 15 years ago -- Making cheap, disposable, unreliable econoboxes. I can assure you that they're not that same company -- Just like Honda isn't the company they were in 1970.

Until you've owned one, or at least test-driven one, I'd go ahead and turn down that elitist knob a notch or two if I were you. You're completely entitled to your opinion... But you might want to do a little research before coming in here and throwing around 10-15 year old stereotypes.