For the stance kiddies/hardparkers...

[Elbow]

Bolt in cages are not all that unsafe, it's how they're mounted. REAL bolt in cages usually straddle the frame rails. My ITC Civic had a bolt in cage and there's no way it would of came through the floor.

These show and Cusco bullshit cages are unsafe for other reasons not just the fact they bolt to a floorboard. The bend at the dash is unsafe, the way it's all bolted together is a joke. A real bolt in cage/bar is made with a sleeve and two bolts through the sleeve, you see these Cusco styled bars/cages having a hinge type of deal.

I also don't know what mounting plate thickness they use but...

Weld in is of course cheaper and not hard to do. I've known people who bolt in a cage then weld it.

As for Tnomud, I doubt every car you saw rolled with an Autopower cage lol, not many people run them anymore anyway, isn't SCCA banning or did ban bolt in cages? It'll come soon.

A man much wiser than myself once told me: You're only as safe as the amount of money you're willing to spend on safety when racing. Hence why I'd rather spend the extra money to get one welded in than a few hundred bucks to install a bolt-in cage. But that's just me, and I know some people are out there racing on a budget. That's cool and all, but people really need to think about what deserves the budget buy when modding their car. That goes for EVERYONE, style queens and racers alike.

I've thought this way before, that a race car should be stupid safe and a intense cage and all, but honestly I drive balls out on the track and fully expect to crash, I don't want to ruin a expensive cage. I'd rather risk death then have to spend 2k on a custom cage again. lol Just kidding...or am I? I dunno.

[tnomud]

Bolt in cages are not all that unsafe, it's how they're mounted. REAL bolt in cages usually straddle the frame rails. My ITC Civic had a bolt in cage and there's no way it would of came through the floor.

These show and Cusco bullshit cages are unsafe for other reasons not just the fact they bolt to a floorboard. The bend at the dash is unsafe, the way it's all bolted together is a joke. A real bolt in cage/bar is made with a sleeve and two bolts through the sleeve, you see these Cusco styled bars/cages having a hinge type of deal.

I also don't know what mounting plate thickness they use but...

Weld in is of course cheaper and not hard to do. I've known people who bolt in a cage then weld it.

As for Tnomud, I doubt every car you saw rolled with an Autopower cage lol, not many people run them anymore anyway, isn't SCCA banning or did ban bolt in cages? It'll come soon.



I've thought this way before, that a race car should be stupid safe and a intense cage and all, but honestly I drive balls out on the track and fully expect to crash, I don't want to ruin a expensive cage. I'd rather risk death then have to spend 2k on a custom cage again. lol Just kidding...or am I? I dunno.

remember, I am old and have been tracking for 20 years now. But, not the "whatever passes SCCA tech" part. Shit, NHRA cage standards are as loose as a $100 stipper at a bachelor party and those guys crash shit every weekend. NHRA cages won't pass SCCA Tech with $100 bills padding the doorbars. I am just saying, I instructed for Police and GOtv. driving for years. We crashed hundreds of Caprices and Crowns, most had bolt ins, 100% of them were injury-free exits.

I race motorcycles, anything with doors seems safe to me...........you pussy's

[Elbow]

remember, I am old and have been tracking for 20 years now. But, not the "whatever passes SCCA tech" part. Shit, NHRA cage standards are as loose as a $100 stipper at a bachelor party and those guys crash shit every weekend. NHRA cages won't pass SCCA Tech with $100 bills padding the doorbars. I am just saying, I instructed for Police and GOtv. driving for years. We crashed hundreds of Caprices and Crowns, most had bolt ins, 100% of them were injury-free exits.

I race motorcycles, anything with doors seems safe to me...........you pussy's

Ok well I've been tracking for 15 years. NHRA cages are unsafe if they were used for road racing. The general design isn't unsafe it's the material used,but like I said, drag racing you only worry about flipping or hitting a wall, you don't worry about car to car contact and such.

Doing police work also isn't road racing. lol. Unless you all were hitting walls at 150mph and then barrel rolling that really isn't very useful information here. Like I said though, a properly bolted in roll cage/bar can be safe, if it's mounted just to the floor board though, it's GOING to fail.

Most motorcycle racers say cars are much scarier to race then a bike.

I mean we could sit here and debate FIA versus SCCA cages too and how to mount a harness belt.

[AFSil80]

I've thought this way before, that a race car should be stupid safe and a intense cage and all, but honestly I drive balls out on the track and fully expect to crash, I don't want to ruin a expensive cage. I'd rather risk death then have to spend 2k on a custom cage again. lol Just kidding...or am I? I dunno.

I wasn't trying to say you GOTTA have a jungle gym inside your car for road racing, I was mainly talking about the basics of cage construction...material composition, installation process, and cage design (ensuring proper bends, harness bar location, main hoop/halo location in regards to the driver location).

In other words, not paying some dude to do it just because he has a welder and he wants to try building a cage and says he'll save you a buncha money.

[Elbow]

I wasn't trying to say you GOTTA have a jungle gym inside your car for road racing, I was mainly talking about the basics of cage construction...material composition, installation process, and cage design (ensuring proper bends, harness bar location, main hoop/halo location in regards to the driver location).

In other words, not paying some dude to do it just because he has a welder and he wants to try building a cage and says he'll save you a buncha money.

I know, I was mainly talking to the other guy.