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87 Turbo II
I read your WHOLE post then clipped that one part to address it without rereading it, my mind narrowed it to "240s have more aftermarket support" that I was arguing. Which I reinterpreted as "you can buy more stuff for the 240" which makes me raise the question, what could you buy for a 240 that you couldn't upgrade on your 7 just as well? You also don't get a more supportive community than Rx-7s. Mechanics DON'T know how to work on these cars. The owner has to learn. Because of this, we really have to stick together for info, and helping hands. We're all really close because we all have to basically do the work ourselves and know we need the knowledge of other members, but a community argument is entirely different. (By the way, the engine internal stuff wasn't for you, I just didn't want to have to back up the sentence "Name one thing you can buy for a 240 that they don't make for the Rx-7" with a bunch of people reading it quickly, quoting me, and saying dumbass things like "piston rings" "cams" "headgaskets" etc.). I am not biased.I like the Rx-7s, but I am well aware of what it can and cannot do. What it does well, and doesn't do well. I am not one of those ro-tards (rotary retards) that'll say he prefers a rotary to an Ls1 any day, I do like my 7s to have rotaries though). The Rx-7 is a great car, I am not being biased when I am comparing it to a car that nissan made to squeeze more money out of their S-chassis as cheaply as possible. Also, some(don't feel like finding who said it, you or someone else) argue that you can get a 240 for cheap and spend the difference making it as fast or better than the 7, this is not true. Decent running N/A7s go for anywhere from $700 to $2000 depending on condition of cosmetics and touchy things like coolant systems and such because the rotary engine is misunderstood by so many,so people are scared to jump into it and the prices drop. 240s, being so common, are popular, and you're paying more money for the fact that everyone wants one rather than what the car is actually worth. An N/A Rx-7, although not too quick is priced competitively with a 240, a TII is considerably more, but you get considerably more car for the money as well. Once again, a stock 240 really isn't all that special, and an true N/A 7 isn't either, but it's still going to outperform the 240 stock for stock. If you try to argue that with the age of the cars, I bet they both held up the same pretty well, if one started off better than the other, chances are it's probably still ahead, both cars are going to be aging.
I just want to somethings up. I am comparing stock for stock for simplicity, there are specs for these comparisons, there are component types (most of which the N/A 7 and 240 are the same, and the TII is much better), as well as a baseline for depreciative price points and such. My whole point with he aftermarket was that it really shouldn't matter much about the car itself, with cars liek these, it differs too little to effect the purchase of the vehicle itself. I will say that N/A 7s have a huge hp ceiling, where at 180 to 200-ish hp, it's going to start getting REALLY expensive if you want to get more power, where the 240 has MANY options for power delivery, which include, but are not limited to, light Ka upgrades, engine swaps, induction setups, easier timing adjustments and whatnot. The S-chassis also has the benefit of taking some really good parts directly from the 300ZX, Skyline, and Silvia cars, with little or no fab work. The 240 gets better gas mileage, makes more torque, has back seats, will pass emissions easier, generate less heat, hold up better (I will argue that the engine's are every bit as reliableaseach other if you know what you're doing, the heat and average running RPM or a rotary will wear out the accessories faster, cooling/oil systems etc.). The 240 won't (well shouldn't) burn oil, doesn't need as thorough of warmups(although you should thoroughly warm up any car), and there is more mainstream knowelege and shops can actually work on your car fi you're stumped with something. See, I am not close minded, I can take in to account all of these factors. I of course prefer an Rx-7 in terms of the preference alone.
ONCE AGAIN for the purpose of this comparison, I use the simplist comparo, stock for stock, the 7 is a better car. You start off farther ahead. If you want to tackle nothing but suspension, I say keep in mind that the 7 was BUILT for handling, it was sculpted around the rotary, JUST to turn. You will run into HUGE power delivery disadvantages, but it's al about what the car is built for.
( might also add to this short novel of writing, that I am benchmarking handling by roadholding and predictability, I am not sure if someone considers "good handling" the ability to drift or w/e)
You are looking for a flaw that doesn't exist in my post. Now I'm not trying to "get smart" with you simply because i am smart,but it seems you are adding/reading things in my post i didn't say. i said the "community is better" simple. offering more parts or in your eyes , "junk". Besides if they didn't make a part who cares, custom fab. Anyhow i will await another post that might actually be parallel to mines.
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. and your right it was the FD that had that problem i was referring too that was my bad. I try to pick everyone out individually not as a whole. though it does get hard and i tend to do that, its a fault of mine. I understand your bashing to 240's. I think they are very good potential cars, it just the "people" that are getting a hold of them and giving the bad vibe making us good rare forty owners bad names. EX: DORIFTO FAN BOY.
