So how much would this run?

**dtmcnamara** · 10-01-2005, 08:27 AM

Ok just wondering how much a 700+ hp 10 second buildup would cost someone. I have heard everything from $15,000 up to $40-50,000, and even up from there. I was thinking about building up a b18c US block for something around 500 but was trying to see the differance between getting it to 500 and 700+. Thanks sorry if this has been asked many times.

**MrEG62U** · 10-01-2005, 05:36 PM

depends on how you buld and what you use, could be endless options

**dtmcnamara** · 10-02-2005, 02:55 PM

Well. I wanna build with quality parts, and I want to replace everything, pretty much nothing will be stock on the motor. I want to bore the block out, sleve it and run somewhere in the 30-35 psi on the turbo.

**MrEG62U** · 10-02-2005, 03:19 PM

get darton to do your sleeves and you get everything else through them for cheap

**Supacharge** · 10-02-2005, 03:23 PM

no more than 10k, and thats HIGH balling. including sleeves, all brand new parts, brand new turbo, dyno tuned, clutch, out the door ready to drive car.

**dtmcnamara** · 10-02-2005, 06:36 PM

I can get a car for under $1000. I can also get most of the parts for fairly cheap, from people here and there. The main thing I need is to get the block bored and sleeved...so whos Darton and where is he/it?

**D16Civic** · 10-02-2005, 06:57 PM

Darton is a company

http://www.darton-international.com/main_fr.htm

**Vteckidd** · 10-05-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by dtmcnamara

Ok just wondering how much a 700+ hp 10 second buildup would cost someone. I have heard everything from $15,000 up to $40-50,000, and even up from there. I was thinking about building up a b18c US block for something around 500 but was trying to see the differance between getting it to 500 and 700+. Thanks sorry if this has been asked many times.

ok, well let me be quite honest:

if you are NOT INCLUDING THE PRICE OF A CAR:
it will cost $10K + EASILY.

Built Block to hold 40psi(GSR)-$3500
-Pistons
-Rods
-Crank
-Machine Work
-Sleeves
-Oil pump
-Lowergasket kit
-Assembling

Built head to support 9000+RPMS-$3000
-Valvetrain with Titanium retainers
-GSR/ITR cams
-Port Work
-JG Edelbrock Manifold
-Valves

Turbo Kit-$4000-5000
-$1200+ turbo
-Fuel Pump
-Injectors
-Turbo Manifold/equal length
-Downpipe
-Intercooler (big one)
-Piping
-couplers
-wastegate
-BOV

Accesories:$1000-2000
-Electronic Boost Controller
-Engine Managment
-FPR and FPR Guage
-EGT Gauge
-OIL PSI Gauge
-Water Temp Gauge
-boost gauge
-Turbo Timer

Transmission:$3000
-Hydro Tranny of your choice
-LSD
-Clutch
-Flywheel

Ok, that is the MINIMUM it would take to make 700whp, and do it reliably. i may have shot a little high on the turbo kit, but its pretty clsoe to that price. I cnat justify all my prices if you guys want to argue. Hell, pick up the phone and call Peter, he'll tell you what it would cost to build his hatch (makes 700+whp and runs 9.9s).

Its 20K once its all said and done. Remember this is just the engine and transmission and turbo kit. you have no chassis, no rollcage, no racing seat and NDRA approved harnesses, no suspension, no strut bars, no upgraded axles, etc. you get my point

you asked, my opinion

$20,000 to have a civic run 10s and make over 700whp. that would be everything including the car.

no way in hell could you do it for $10,000. those that say you can, havent done it, and dont know what it takes.

Remember this is virtually you doing all the labor and the swap , wiring everything yourself.

**dtmcnamara** · 10-05-2005, 07:58 PM

cool. I was guesing about this. I will probably only shoot for like 400-500 but I just was tinking about 700, just for fun. ALso I would rather build the block for 700 ad only run 400-500, just in case I normally have the worst luck when it comes to cars, but maybe it will change this time. I will keep everyone posted on the car. I think my accord will be sold this thursday (hopefully) and then I can start looking for everything. My plan is to buy the block then start building it to how I want it one thing at a time. Then once I am finished building it all I will buy a car. I think this will work better because normally when I get the car then build the motor I end up messing up the car, take the mr2. I bought the car first then built the motor, then when I was driving the car one day someone hit me and it was totaled, and I had a 5000$ motor at the home that I was building. SO like I said I will keep everyone updated maybe in another forum but the project will start.....one of these days

**B18c1Turboed** · 10-07-2005, 09:43 AM

Or you can buy my car for 12,500 with everything to make 700hp already!!!

**B18c1Turboed** · 10-07-2005, 09:52 AM

Hey you can build a block for 500HP easy all you need is a good block,pistons and rods, you dont eve need to get the motor sleeved, alot of people make 500plus on stock sleeves.Peter made 580HP and ran for 1 year on stock sleeves,i have even seen 650 on stock sleeves....

the list of stuff you need for motor.
CP pistons 9:7:1 $450
Crower rods $400
getting motor honed and decked $250 tops
Bearings $100

now the head
Springs and retiners $250
Type R cams $300

thats $1750 besides turbo kit and buying the motor!
with that setup you can hit 500HP!!

**i4_garage** · 10-07-2005, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by vteckidd

ok, well let me be quite honest:

if you are NOT INCLUDING THE PRICE OF A CAR:
it will cost $10K + EASILY.

Built Block to hold 40psi(GSR)-$3500
-Pistons
-Rods
-Crank
-Machine Work
-Sleeves
-Oil pump
-Lowergasket kit
-Assembling

Built head to support 9000+RPMS-$3000
-Valvetrain with Titanium retainers
-GSR/ITR cams
-Port Work
-JG Edelbrock Manifold
-Valves

Turbo Kit-$4000-5000
-$1200+ turbo
-Fuel Pump
-Injectors
-Turbo Manifold/equal length
-Downpipe
-Intercooler (big one)
-Piping
-couplers
-wastegate
-BOV

Accesories:$1000-2000
-Electronic Boost Controller
-Engine Managment
-FPR and FPR Guage
-EGT Gauge
-OIL PSI Gauge
-Water Temp Gauge
-boost gauge
-Turbo Timer

Transmission:$3000
-Hydro Tranny of your choice
-LSD
-Clutch
-Flywheel

Ok, that is the MINIMUM it would take to make 700whp, and do it reliably. i may have shot a little high on the turbo kit, but its pretty clsoe to that price. I cnat justify all my prices if you guys want to argue. Hell, pick up the phone and call Peter, he'll tell you what it would cost to build his hatch (makes 700+whp and runs 9.9s).

Its 20K once its all said and done. Remember this is just the engine and transmission and turbo kit. you have no chassis, no rollcage, no racing seat and NDRA approved harnesses, no suspension, no strut bars, no upgraded axles, etc. you get my point

you asked, my opinion

$20,000 to have a civic run 10s and make over 700whp. that would be everything including the car.

no way in hell could you do it for $10,000. those that say you can, havent done it, and dont know what it takes.

Remember this is virtually you doing all the labor and the swap , wiring everything yourself.

very true....i agree....no way ho say...lolz

**jimjam187** · 10-09-2005, 01:55 PM

I have a 88 civic cr-vtec 445hp to the wheels all day long 20psi. The only engine upgrade was rods and pistons anad minor head work ran 2 yrs Sleeves cracked
I currently have Dart b20 setup havent dynoed yet still breaking in, this set up I have is 750-850hp. I currently have about $18k in the motor. Any ?'s Be glad to help.

**Vteckidd** · 10-09-2005, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by jimjam187

I have a 88 civic cr-vteck 445hp to the wheels all day long 20psi. The only engine upgrade was rods and pistons anad minor head work ran 2 yrs Sleeves cracked
I currently have Dart b20 setup havent dynoed yet still breaking in, this set up I have is 750-850hp. I currently have about $18k just in the motor you can see the car under the honda and acura posts in 93 hatch. Any ?'s Be glad to help.

750-850 is a big claim, hope you got dynos to back it up. with 18K in the motor you better make 900hp. can you post any of your old dynos of your b20 motor?
i find it hard to believe someone has 18K in their motor, but cant spell the work VTEC correctly

**dtmcnamara** · 10-09-2005, 04:57 PM

LOL

**jimjam187** · 10-09-2005, 08:36 PM

Sorry im not perfect just type fast, its hard to think no one ever makes mistakes when typing. I will for sure post dyno pick of the 88 when I go to my shop this week, And I see you Advertising for mainsteam performance. You should know a little about cars then. How is it that I cant get 750 to 850 out of my build? Jg's get's 900hp Guaranteed
ready to drop in the car,turn key. I have basicly the same set up just bigger turbo. I think you need to do some more researching about B-series motors w/700-900hp
not as rare as you think. By the way my car is almost broken in when I get it tuned Ill just bring it to you. By the way this was a very costly build $18k is not that hard to do. Dart block hints the word in my first post. Add your post up I got $13000 sow how is $18000 not possible?

**jimjam187** · 10-09-2005, 10:01 PM

heres the link rag all you want

**93H22ACX** · 10-10-2005, 10:32 AM

Just some quick commments and questions...

I doubt anyone really guarantee 700-800whp. It isnt too hard but its still difficult to make that much horsepower.

do you really have 700-800whp or are you stating that that's what you will get?

What's ur setup: fuel, engine, turbo setup if you dont mind me asking...

i would just like to know

**Vteckidd** · 10-10-2005, 11:42 AM

few things i saw wrong with your post, correct me if i am wrong.

1) Your only running 3bar map, 700-800whp needs 5 bar, or your revving to 11K rpms.
2) T3/T4 aint big enough , depends how big the trim level is
3) That looks like an SS AUTOCHROME manifold, wont hold 700-800hp.
4) You said 88 civic, thats a EG aka 92-95 honda civic.

Mabe i missed something, can you fill me in. and im not making fun or calling bullshit, im just saying you come from nowhere and claim 600whp, then now you say your gonna make 850whp, and i dont see a dyno posted.

Only 1 guy makes over 800whp locally, its not as easy as you think. good luck.

**jimjam187** · 10-10-2005, 01:12 PM

Like I said my old car is the 88. I know the current set up in the picks wont make 700. That was the set up on the 88 just using the old turbo setup to breakin the motor and until I feel like changing them out. CUrrent set up is Full race = length mani. pte68 50mm tail bov, 48mm tial wg,rc 1000's 5bar map, what the hell else do you want to know. Is It really that hard to think someone has a car with hat much power. I dont need a dyno to tell me what kind of power this car will have. I started this build for one thing to have that kind of power. So call BULL SHIT all you want When its ready Ill PM you both and well GO put it on the Dyno of your choice then you can talk all the shit you want. O and ill put the dyno sheet on tonight of the 88 nad would yopu like to see the receipts of my current build I guarantee you I have over $17800 in this build. YEs im new to the forum I wasnt bragging or calling anyone out just tring to help someone to relaize how much it costs to make the power. Even you said VTECKIDD it would cost 10K+. the 88 made 448 to the wheels whit just rods and pistons 750's fuel pump type r cams and the turbo in the picks. SO I have a better build now more fuel built head. what else do I need?

**Vteckidd** · 10-10-2005, 01:25 PM

Listen Jackass, go re read what i said:

Maybe i missed something, can you fill me in. and im not making fun or calling bullshit, im just saying you come from nowhere and claim 600whp, then now you say your gonna make 850whp, and i dont see a dyno posted.

I asked to see your setup and you posted that. so you dont need a dyno to tell you how fast it is? lol thats the most retarded statement i have ever heard. So your ass dyno can tell you the difference between 600whp and 800whp? come one man, quit diggin yourself deeper into a hole.

Get it done, then come put it on my dyno, if it makes over 750whp, its free and ill give you $20 for gas, if you make under 700whp, its 100$/HR until you can make it close.

Once again, i never called bullshit, and yes it is hard to believe mr. 26 posts. you have to understand you are making BIG CLAIMS with nothing to back it up excpet for OLD PICS of a turbo setup you have no dyno for.

POost a dyno, and post current pics. im interested to see your build up, i dont care how much money you have in it, it really donesnt mean shit to me nor does it impress me. cause if it only makes 500whp, then it was a waste of money.

good luck

EDIT: I said it would cost more than 10K. it would be around $20k INCLUDING THE CAR and suspension etc. $13k for a motor,tranny,clutch,flywheel,turbo kit, etc aint bad , you said you have 18K in the MOTOR, which is too much money.

**jimjam187** · 10-10-2005, 01:29 PM

O heres a dyno from Jg's web page of a turn key 900+hp b-series motor
and a link to see the 700's too
http://jgenginedynamics.com/HOME%20PAGE.html

**Supacharge** · 10-10-2005, 01:30 PM

you dont need anywhere close to 700 whp to run 10s. i would say you are right in saying that you need 20k to make 700 whp. but yes, you can run 10s with 10k, EASY. rlz, who built my motor, is running 10.2 @ 142 with a b16 and a t4 60-1. and that was on PUMP gas. made just over 500whp.

**jimjam187** · 10-10-2005, 01:36 PM

I know I built this car for show,streets, and dyno wars. this car will not be driven w/700 just tuned for it when I need it.

**93H22ACX** · 10-10-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by jimjam187

Like I said my old car is the 88. I know the current set up in the picks wont make 700. That was the set up on the 88 just using the old turbo setup to breakin the motor and until I feel like changing them out. CUrrent set up is Full race = length mani. pte68 50mm tail bov, 48mm tial wg,rc 1000's 5bar map, what the hell else do you want to know. Is It really that hard to think someone has a car with hat much power. I dont need a dyno to tell me what kind of power this car will have. I started this build for one thing to have that kind of power. So call BULL SHIT all you want When its ready Ill PM you both and well GO put it on the Dyno of your choice then you can talk all the shit you want. O and ill put the dyno sheet on tonight of the 88 nad would yopu like to see the receipts of my current build I guarantee you I have over $17800 in this build. YEs im new to the forum I wasnt bragging or calling anyone out just tring to help someone to relaize how much it costs to make the power. Even you said VTECKIDD it would cost 10K+. the 88 made 448 to the wheels whit just rods and pistons 750's fuel pump type r cams and the turbo in the picks. SO I have a better build now more fuel built head. what else do I need?

listen.. i wasnt calling BS on you. I just wanted to know what ur setup is. Just because you have a PT68 or just because JG makes x amount of horsepower doesnt mean u'll make the same...

we have cars with that much horsepower and friends that are trying to get those numbers and know how easy/hard it is....

if you do make that much horsepower good for you man...

btw.. i never talked shit... re-read my post... i am simply asking some questions

**Vteckidd** · 10-10-2005, 01:39 PM

dude, that JG motor is probably $15-20k. who cares, i dont. i said post your dyno, not JGs. call jg and ask them to build you a 900hp turbo motor, I GUARANTEE ITS $15K+. thats ENGINE DYNO as well, not WHP.

You guys are missing the point. re read the thread post.

I showed you what it would cost and im sure Under Pressure can tell you what peters motor would cost for the average builder.

**jimjam187** · 10-10-2005, 01:48 PM

VTeckidd has blown this way out the water, I was just posting helping someone out. Just wanted him to know thats it's expencive. I know what the car will do know, I have the same turbo set up. With bigger turbo more fuel what do you get?+more power. THis car is being built for that reason Ive talked to JG,Dart, G-spot, Race Enginerring, Precision turbo, Full race,HorsepowerFreaks trying to get find out what i need to get this car there. SO from all there exp. this is the power I should have I never said it would be exactly 849hp just between 750-850. Yes Im a noob on the forum whocares how many post I have. My words as good as yours, AND Ill take you on your offer. The post of the dyno was to show you that It has been done. I have a friend with that motor in a teg, thats why I built mine to compete. O yea I never said 850whp I said hp

**dtmcnamara** · 10-10-2005, 02:19 PM

ooookay....so...lol....ummm....i guess all i need to know no wis what block to use. I want something easy to get and easy to get parts for so mainly us motors. i was looking at maybe starting with a b18 block? I dont know, I am looking to build now for about a year on the block so money isnt a matter up front it will be done slowly and right so thats all that matters....ive decided that I want to shoot for 700+ WHP!!! no just HP ...lol... so what block would you use???

**Vteckidd** · 10-10-2005, 02:28 PM

GSR block or LS, make sure its sleeved.

JimJam, good luck and let me know when its done. i can convert to BHP form our chassis dyno.

**jimjam187** · 10-10-2005, 02:59 PM

thank god, theres a end.lol hope these posts will help you, Im a b20 man myself but have friends with boosted ls blocks darton sleeved 400+whp. Just when buying your turbo dont look on e-bay for the cheapest turbo kit do some research FUll race has a great 1. OR build you own like I did. Like Vteckidd said SS auto chrome sucks, Stick w/ fullrace, neukin for the mani, turbo wise I go w/precision or a garrett gt series, full race. good luck with your build its going to take a lot of time and patience

**Vteckidd** · 10-10-2005, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by jimjam187

thank god, theres a end.lol hope these posts will help you, Im a b20 man myself but have friends with boosted ls blocks darton sleeved 400+whp. Just when buying your turbo dont look on e-bay for the cheapest turbo kit do some research FUll race has a great 1. OR build you own like I did. Like Vteckidd said SS auto chrome sucks, Stick w/ fullrace, neukin for the mani, turbo wise I go w/precision or a garrett gt series, full race. good luck with your build its going to take a lot of time and patience

I just wanted you to know that i really hope you make it. I will be the first one to congratulate you, and tell you

. I may come off like an asshole, but i dont really mean it. anyone that knows me knows that i support and wish everyone good luck. Sometimes my "online" personality is more crass than my actuall persnoality

and hell i was joking about the spelling of VTEC, my own email is [email protected].

good luck man, and keep us posted

**dtmcnamara** · 10-10-2005, 08:13 PM

well lets just put it this way....i have the time....patience? who needs this, If i run out of this I will call my buddys up and throw them a few pizzas and some beer to help me out so eigther way I will....hopefully....get this built one day, the only thing that will stop me is the woman...she rules and if she aint happy...hows it go???? NO ONES HAPPY!! Thanks guys and I will post up the build as it comes together

**99SI** · 10-11-2005, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by vteckidd

I just wanted you to know that i really hope you make it. I will be the first one to congratulate you, and tell you

. I may come off like an asshole, but i dont really mean it. anyone that knows me knows that i support and wish everyone good luck. Sometimes my "online" personality is more crass than my actuall persnoality

and hell i was joking about the spelling of VTEC, my own email is [email protected].

good luck man, and keep us posted

LIAR!!!!! You know you're a jealous asshole that doesn't want to see anyone succeed!

Make sure that you help Jill out, I want a very merry Christmas! I told her that if she could pull off the omni's that I would kick in some boot as well as do some other things that can't be mentioned on a public forum! lol

**2.0 under pressure** · 10-24-2005, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by vteckidd

ok, well let me be quite honest:

if you are NOT INCLUDING THE PRICE OF A CAR:
it will cost $10K + EASILY.

Built Block to hold 40psi(GSR)-$3500
-Pistons
-Rods
-Crank
-Machine Work
-Sleeves
-Oil pump
-Lowergasket kit
-Assembling

Built head to support 9000+RPMS-$3000
-Valvetrain with Titanium retainers
-GSR/ITR cams
-Port Work
-JG Edelbrock Manifold
-Valves

Turbo Kit-$4000-5000
-$1200+ turbo
-Fuel Pump
-Injectors
-Turbo Manifold/equal length
-Downpipe
-Intercooler (big one)
-Piping
-couplers
-wastegate
-BOV

Accesories:$1000-2000
-Electronic Boost Controller
-Engine Managment
-FPR and FPR Guage
-EGT Gauge
-OIL PSI Gauge
-Water Temp Gauge
-boost gauge
-Turbo Timer

Transmission:$3000
-Hydro Tranny of your choice
-LSD
-Clutch
-Flywheel

Ok, that is the MINIMUM it would take to make 700whp, and do it reliably. i may have shot a little high on the turbo kit, but its pretty clsoe to that price. I cnat justify all my prices if you guys want to argue. Hell, pick up the phone and call Peter, he'll tell you what it would cost to build his hatch (makes 700+whp and runs 9.9s).

Its 20K once its all said and done. Remember this is just the engine and transmission and turbo kit. you have no chassis, no rollcage, no racing seat and NDRA approved harnesses, no suspension, no strut bars, no upgraded axles, etc. you get my point

you asked, my opinion

$20,000 to have a civic run 10s and make over 700whp. that would be everything including the car.

no way in hell could you do it for $10,000. those that say you can, havent done it, and dont know what it takes.

Remember this is virtually you doing all the labor and the swap , wiring everything yourself.

You are very right Mike, just has to be a dirt cheap car to start with

Robi

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