Honda Bashing?

[Mr.Ek9]

Shut up, everyone throws the Type R in my face when I say the Civic/Integra series was never meant to be a sports car. First of all, I was talking about the 90% of this entire site driving a honda motor Co. car, 70%of which aren't driving the top end Si, Type R, S2000, or other "sporty Hondas". Secondly, the CIVIC ACCORD AND INTREGRA weren't ever designed from the bare chassis to be a sports car, the manufacturer just pours oodles of their high dollar research and development into their everyday econoboxes to come up with the Type R projects. They didn't build the Civic from scratch thinking "This chassis needs to be perfectly balanced with as little weight as possible and the highest technology braking and suspension we can afford to put in." No they're thinking "How can we make this as cheap as possible without feeling so cheap that o one likes it?" Then LATER as an AFTERTHOUGHT, Honda goes "Ya know, if we sell a few of them with engines that we develop with our F1 technology, beef up the suspension a little, and move some shit around to try and balance the car out a bit better, I bet we can impress the sports crowd a bit." As apposed to the Rx-7, Supra, Corvette, etc. which where they are designed from the very beginning on a drawing board to production to appeal to enthusiasts. This is the reason these cars have "soul" something you'll often hear about on top Gear when Jeremy drives a Ferrari.

Why can't everyone just be ok with the fact I hate Hondas? They always have to throw around the S2000 and NSX and The Type R cars. Of course there are always exceptions, but not everyone on this site is rocking a Type R.

P.S. If it weren't for the Mazda Rx-7, the Type R project wouldn't have even started. Honda Built the NSX in 1991 and raced it against the Evo, the GTR, the current Supra, and the FC chassis Rx-7 in determination that their new $90,000 car would be the fastest amungst all the current Japanese sports cars. It won, in 93when the FD came out, Honda did it again, the NSX came second only to the FD. Honda was pisssed because the FD cost 1/3 as much, so they decided to build the first Type R ever, the NSX Type R, JUST to beat the Rx-7s lap time, which they barely did by .2 seconds. Go look itup in the Type R history video.

I'm not going to touch on the Del Sol challenge because one car is irrelevant. Also that Del Sol wouldn't have ever existed if ti weren't for the success of the Mazda Miata that Honda wanted in on, only the Miata is the best selling 2 seater car of all time, the del Sol, is out of production.

And yet you continue to throw the RX-7 and Miata at us? What about all of the other Mazda travesties: Millenia, 626, 323, 929, tribute, mx-3......
Just because a car company may have made a couple of good cars, there is always
plenty more they made that suck balls just as hard as any other manufacturer.

LOL at the hypocrisy.

[87 Turbo II]

And yet you continue to throw the RX-7 and Miata at us? What about all of the other Mazda travesties: Millenia, 626, 323, 929, tribute, mx-3......
Just because a car company may have made a couple of good cars, there is always
plenty more they made that suck balls just as hard as any other manufacturer.

LOL at the hypocrisy.

It would be hypocrasy if I said Honda < Mazda. I think as a company Honda is better, but I'd rather drive one of the two good Mazdas over any Honda, just cause I don't like Hondas. But my justification is personal, don't take this as me saying they're bad cars, the biggest problem of all of the ones I mentioned is the common-ness. It's purely personal opinion, cause that may not bother others as much or at all. I don't go around dissing Hondas, but this thread wanted to know my reasoning and I gave it. Again, why should anyone care that I don't like their car? I said why I don't, someone threw out the Type R cars that are few and far between, and I mentioned I wasn't targeting those, it's the kids on the site with a stock D16(or whatever one of the bad engines is, I don't know Honda engine codes) and slammed suspension that piss me off.

So basically we can thank Mazda for everything good about Honda...

And no, but the Type R series was set into motion by the Rx-7, and the Del Sol was created to compete with the Miata. The S2000 is more hardcore than the Miata, so it was good and wasn't inspired by Mazda, and the type R series and Del Sol could have very well been underway regardless, but the cars that have been linked to possibly inspire them did happen to be made by Mazda.