you must of not have got the point where the exaggerations comes in.
if i spend the money on a set of 15k coil overs, then they better do their job. but what makes those c/o so much better than say, a 2k set with adjustable struts?
saying both are running same wheels/tires on the same type of vehicle.
Who on here said money determines how good suspension components are?Originally Posted by Tran
The point we are trying to make is RACE SPEC components. Not some TEINS
a person buys to brag about and never but to actual use, can cost a ton.
They are plenty on Bilsteins that are very good value for money and they are no where near $15 grand more like a couple hundred dollars.
In the racing world, contracts between companies could result in a team running one set of $15 grand components only to run a set of $18k or $5k only a month later if it doesn't sink with their setup. The most expensive parts are always the once run under contract to certain teams. You typically "rent" them instead of buying them. In racing, you spend whatever you gotta spend to win. Sometimes it means buying the tip of the top, sometimes it doesn't.
Seriously, research what it would cost to build a top level race car. Not some bargain basement nonsense but once similar to what DAZN's team could prepare.
but would it really call for 15k parts, to do what some 2k parts could do with the setup of the right components?
especially if both parts do exactly what they were designed to do, and could be adjusted to fit well with the other components to do as well as a top notch race car performance parts?
i mean, if you buy a high-dollar car, i would understand the usage of 15k for the parts. but not many people actually build a street car with parts that are anywhere near the range of the typical "race" or "track" car. well, at least nothing that the average person would build.
on the side note, how many people actually build a full, all out, race cars to compete with to a point where 15k suspension would be needed?
The answer to that question rests with the team, their budget, and more importantly which one their car works better with irregardless of price.
You have this 15K number in your head like its the greatest thing in the world. Alms race teams could be looking at numbers that go $50K+.
You have a street car mind frame to this. No one in their right mind would drive $15,000 coilovers on a daily driver. There's no need to.
And that is most certianly why these are not for the average person. I'd give a strange look to a person that is on a beginner budget buying these. Most times, race teams have suspension engineers from the manufactuer on site to help set up the part.
Again, think about the people that need to win. You also said earlier how a 15K part is silimlar to a 2k part. It is in ways and different in others. Many times the 15K comes from what the actual tech is worth and not the part itself. I would not be surprised if i heard the parts selling for 15K and the part being worth north of 20K and being sold at a loss just to get the part on the track.
(For that explanation, dont specifically think about the part from the OP.)
So few that this past winter, the economy dropped many championship winning teams from their series.
Racing is for the boys that want to play and pay hard for it. Don't forget that to get above the grassroots level as a driver, YOU ARE PAYING FOR YOUR SEAT.
An extreme example could be Jenson Button giving half his salery to Brawn GP this year to have a better chance at this years championship.
As i said earlier. street cars that see the track every once in awhile don't need to have 15K parts.
The only times it matters is in a professional series with professional competition.
For the last time, those of us justifing 15K parts are not justifing the set in the op but we know the costs of building a top level competition car/bike.
very well put, i was just using 15k just as a set point of reference of cost for the part. but i was also assuming that the only ones who would be purchasing these parts would be for actual race teams, and not the average consumer.
i know with a full out race car, the teams are gonna needs parts that are gonna have to go thru some extreme conditions, which, the reliability and perfomance of the parts, i'm sure can add up to be well over 15k, and like you said, even up to 50k+
but when i read the OP, i was thinking the person was trying to put parts like these onto your everyday car, which is not needed in any way, shape, or form of any sort. but more of mainly for some extremely high dollar, and outstanding perfomance machines, which are far from being made for the street.
The ironic part is you will rarely see a competitive S2000 on a track in the US, mainly because of the way they are classed.
The OP said, "but there is NO way you can justify FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS for coilovers! Racing or not...." That's where he was incorrect. Granted that is a stretch for an S2k since they aren't a very competitive race car because of the classes they get put in here. Now a spec s2000 race would be an incredible event!!
it is very justifiable for 15k coilovers, but not for a street car.The ironic part is you will rarely see a competitive S2000 on a track in the US, mainly because of the way they are classed.
The OP said, "but there is NO way you can justify FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS for coilovers! Racing or not...." That's where he was incorrect. Granted that is a stretch for an S2k since they aren't a very competitive race car because of the classes they get put in here. Now a spec s2000 race would be an incredible event!!
i guess the OP didn't take into consideration what kind of money it takes to build a GT500 series or F1 race car.
i absolutely LOVE s2k's, one of my all time fave cars, i do whatever i could to go see a spec s2k race. but with the right setup and build of the car, it would be made into a very respectable race car, just not many people have done it.
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