When you make good products, this economy is no big deal

[Sam C.]

Clearly you don't understand the issues GM is facing. Selling an additional 8,000 cars or 50% better than the year before will do squat to save them. GM issue isn't selling cars their issue controlling the costs associated with manufacturing cars.

GM sold 8.36 million units last year just under Toyota who sold 8.97 million units. So by your argument the 50% growth in the M sales or 8,000 units would equate to 0.1% growth in sales.

It is clear this thread and you argument are based on your personal opinion of GM rather than the facts associated with the problems GM is facing.

[OnURleft]

Clearly you don't understand the issues GM is facing. Selling an additional 8,000 cars or 50% better than the year before will do squat to save them. GM issue isn't selling cars their issue controlling the costs associated with manufacturing cars.

GM sold 8.36 million units last year just under Toyota who sold 8.97 million units. So by your argument the 50% growth in the M sales or 8,000 units would equate to 0.1% growth in sales.

It is clear this thread and you argument are based on your personal opinion of GM rather than the facts associated with the problems GM is facing.

I do understand the issue and I see where you are coming from. It just is not apples to oranges. They are direct competitors and are marketing to the same people (for the most part but obviously not trucks and uber cheap sup compacts via Kia). BMW sold several millions of units as well, although they are not experiencing huge losses and bankruptcy!!! Sales have slowed for every car maker, but I.M.O products like AMG and M have only proven how good these brands really are in a more challenging market.

[DinanM3atl]

I do understand the issue and I see where you are coming from. It just is not apples to oranges. They are direct competitors and are marketing to the same people (for the most part but obviously not trucks and uber cheap sup compacts via Kia). BMW sold several millions of units as well, although they are not experiencing huge losses and bankruptcy!!! Sales have slowed for every car maker, but I.M.O products like AMG and M have only proven how good these brands really are in a more challenging market.

It is not really a fair comparison.

Someone shopping for a 20-30K General Motors product in a GOOD economy probaby lost their job and is HURTING BAD! Really bad.

Someone shopping for a 70-100K AMG or BMW M was also shopping for it before this bad economy and in reality probably has not lost his job and has financial security if they did.

Again, BMW sales globally are down ~25%. M sales I bet are down even more than that.

[OnURleft]

It is not really a fair comparison.

Someone shopping for a 20-30K General Motors product in a GOOD economy probaby lost their job and is HURTING BAD! Really bad.

Someone shopping for a 70-100K AMG or BMW M was also shopping for it before this bad economy and in reality probably has not lost his job and has financial security if they did.

Again, BMW sales globally are down ~25%. M sales I bet are down even more than that.

True but we have to look outside of America. We are not the worlds only consumers. In Europe, for the most part, the economy is not the best but it's still thriving and GM is struggling despite what they are trying to sell and they are a direct competitor in the small relatively inexpensive (20-35k) car market. BMW's U.S sales are down but they are not experiencing global failure because of it . GM is selling Vauxhauls (sp?) and what not that are perfectly compatible to BMW 316-318-320i's which are like Camry's over there.