Thanks tracy..
Im really not trying to be a hater because id like a local track access as well, just trying to be realistic and also the fact that im a local i can understand some of the local mentality.
Thanks tracy..
Im really not trying to be a hater because id like a local track access as well, just trying to be realistic and also the fact that im a local i can understand some of the local mentality.
Oh naw dude. I'm not trippin'. I know exactly what you are saying.Originally Posted by green91
I would just like to see it happen. I am just telling what I think I know. I wouldn't want to spread false info. and I'm sure he wants potential members to know the deal – so might as well go ahead and hear it from the horses mouth. Then if it's different than what's posted, we can all blame him
I also understand the local mentality. They are country, horse farmers. They like the peace and quiet. It's quite understandable. I am a very compassionate person and it was a little hard to hear how upset some of the neighbors are. It's def a double edge sword. You can't just plop a 100 acre track on Howell Mill where it's already noisy and industrial. There's no room for it in a place like that. The only places left are more rural areas.
Last edited by Tracy; 12-24-2008 at 06:52 PM.
Ok! So here is the response I got from Jeremy in red. Straight copy and paste. There is also the pamphlet at this link: http://docs.google.com/gview?attid=0...e05d&a=v&pli=1
We were having a discussion on our local forum about the track and some questions are coming up. I was thinking maybe I could copy and paste some of them here and you can answer them when you have time. These are just straight copy and pasted, so I didn't edit them.
**Is the membership transferable? I thought I had heard at the first meeting we attended that it was for a fee, but it is posted on the website that it is not? Only for preconstruction, it will be a 25% fee of the purchase price, not the sale price. Meaning, you buy it for $35k and sell it for $50k, you pay the 25% on the $35k, this transfer only goes for the $35k and $15k membership.
**If you look at a track like Taladega Gran Prix, it books about 90% of the year. TGP is one track, we have THREE! So we can rent two and run one if needed. They have either private events, or sanctioned events 10-15 days in a row most of the time before having a day off. I'd hate to pay that AMP membership, and only be able to use it once a month because of no open days, or nothing open on the few days my schedule allowed. I would love to have a track that close, that was cheaper than a trackday at Road Atlanta. The member’s days will be scheduled in 90 day advance. If you take the top membership $35k, they get 180 days spread across the year, then the $15k, they get 120 set days across the year, and the $7k gets 60 set days across the year. So at the 35k level you get the most options. The 60 day guys will not be given all of the 180 day/$35k options to choose from. So there will be days that the $35k guys/gals will NOT have the $7k guys/gals on the track. Make sense?
**How many weekends a month are available to members? The $35k guys get the most, two weekends or more per month, it goes down for each level, but at least one or more weekends per month for all membership levels.
**If NASA is already planning events there, it looks like it's going beyond memberships. YES! Most groups like NASA plan their events on the weekend, so I wonder how you get 2 weekends a month. Does that mean all 100+ members have the same 2 weekends reserved for them every month, and the rest are open for something else? There are basically 180 days open to rent to NASA, SCCA, race teams, etc. If you take a Porsche Club of America event, they have around 350 people show up for one DAY! On average, the members will have between 15-30 during the week and 30-50 on the weekends with busy weekends with 100 people, so you will get more seat time in one day at AMP than at three or more days with the clubs.
**After reading some on their site, i really don't see a lot of hope for it passing in Dawson county. They spent millions of dollars on thunder road assuming that because of dawson's nascar heritage that it would be a success.. Not sure why people keep bring this up. Does not have any relevance to AMP. they ended up putting city hall and a few other county offices in it just to pay bills because it was a flop. Keep the faith, the city spent millions, NOT an individual. If AMP went bust, the city or county would not hold the notes, they would benefit from a massive amount of money and taxes being poured into their city/county building the course. The likelihood of this not working when build is very slim. We are coming out of the ground with the best management team money can buy to ensure that, our business plan is much tighter, we have no competition and can run four seasons.
The prices on their site are for a top-tier track.. We don’t have prices for track rental so not sure where they are getting that from, our prices for our shorter track are that of a Talladega, shows people just don’t understand. it would be building a place thats out financial reach of approx 98%+ of residents to even use the facility, yet local taxpayers etc will brunt the majority of the impact fees, etc. We add more value to the city than any business I can think of with less ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT! Plus be realistic, this location would be 45+mins north of Atlanta, would most people even be willing to spend mega bucks and still make the commute? We are half the distance to the core group of users of ANY OTHER TRACK IN THE USA, with no competition. Customers to AMP will be the least of our problems! J We are almost HALF the fees of other membership tracks in the US. Our prices are more than fair.
Don't get me wrong, id like a motorsports park nearby. I just dont think its a feasible option. The end result will silence the critics. They will come if I do or don’t answer them once the course is built.
**my complaint is that the plan for this park is of such a high level that a MAJORITY of the local residents even in surrounding counties cannot afford to even use it. NOT TRUE! We have karting programs that are VERY affordable. We have three members that live in Dawsonville. Plus even if they are minimal, there will still be some impact to the roadways we have less impact than the Dairy Queen up the road in traffic, DOT states 53 is not even near half of the traffic it can handle, we could have HUGE spectator events and not reach the limits of traffic for the area and to make it CLEAR we will NOT have HUGE spectator events, law enforcement we hire off duty police, EMT, and fire, driving money into the system and not taking it away, we drive taxes into the system and not take it away by using the schools, we use septic and well water, we are the best business with the least draw and the most tax impact that could ever come to the county, period the end, if you added houses, a a house per 1/3 acre, that would be 450 house that WOULD draw from police, schools, EMT, fire, and have LESS TAXES TO THE CITY than AMP. dding this, meaning that people who can't even afford to use it will have to bear a portion of the tax burden. I understand selling high cost memberships etc will help to pay for the facility but i hope they will offer some packages for track usage that will be within reach of non-wealthy car enthusiasts as well. We have packages that someone that racers can afford. At the $7k level, if you take what you spend in gas getting to the tracks in the SE and compare it over two years, your fees at AMP will be MUCH less. Here is the kicker, you will get more seat time in one quarter of a year at AMP than you would in THREE YEARS of racing else where. Moreover, racing/driving is not an inexpensive sport, if you can afford the car, you car afford the membership. Do the math and you will see.
I have been in thunder road, in fact i drive by it every day. But you've gotta understand too that dawsonville has a HUGGGEEEE nascar following and a lot of nascar heritage.. At least in theory if anywhere would support a nascar museum it would be there. Ever been to the dawsonvile pool hall? Where do you live? What city?