G23??????????

[speedminded]

ok i read it wrong with just the bare g23 motor with k20 pistons it makes 200+whp if u dont believe me dont argue on here go look at page 92 of the febuary import tuner and it makes 260+whp with the shit they built it with

Sooo...250 crank hp out of this huh?

F23A Complete Short Block (used) - $200
(block,rods,oil pan,oil and water pumps, crank timing cog and pulley, ext. water lines, and sensors)
H22A Complete Head (Used) - $300
(assembled head and valve cover, intake manifold, throttle body, distributor, fuel rail and lines, sensors and header)
H22A Timing Cog (Used) - $25
H22A Timing Belt (New) - $50
H22A Head Studs (New) - $50
H22A Head Gasket (New) - $50
H22A P13 Ecu (Used) - $75
B-Series Transmission Of Your Choice - $300
K20A Pistons OEM Or Aftermarket (Used) - $100
Stainless Steel Bolts For Oil Drain Blocking - $1
B-Series Clitch And Flywheel (Used) - $100
H22 Water Pump (Used) - $10
K20 Piston Rings, F23 Bearings, OE H22 Gasket Set - $200
DA Integra CV Shafts - $50
Fabrication (Mounts, Linkage, Intake, Exhaust) - $300

Grand Total - $1,811


Then 260whp out of this?

G23 Vtec - $1811
Six Sigma Header - $800
Cams And Cam Gears - $500
Supertech Valve Springs and Titanium Retainers - $315
QSD H2B Adapter Kit - $750
Kaizenspeed Balance Shaft Removal Kit - $150
Act Prolite Flywheel - $260
Clutch Masters Fx500 Clutch - $310
TWM Individual Throttle Bodies - $1500
Crome Tuning - $300

Grand Total - $6,696

[speedminded]

From Honda-Tech members who have built them:

Sooo,this engine was tuned and dyno'd at Titan Motorsports...

Full Setup:
Stock F23a1 Block
Stock H22a1 Head
AEBS Headstuds
Hondata IM Gasket
Removed Butterflies
FMax Log Manifold
Tial 35mm Wastegate(6 lb Spring)
Turbonetics T3/to4b
2.5" Downpipe(No Exhaust)
Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump
450cc DSMs
Hondata S100b

At 6psi it made 214whp@7150rpms & 195wtq@4400rpms.


Then there's this one...

stock f23a bottom end
h22a head (ported and polished)
ported and port matched intake manifold
1 piece cold air intake
DC clone by a EX DC employee (heheh )
Tanabe Hyper Medallion exhaust i found for 150 the only cat-back that is straight thru muffler design.. love the sound
Skunk2 Cam gears
P28 ecu/chipped/uberdata
h23a transmission
stock fly/clutch for now

Tuned it made 159whp@6,300 & 152ft-lbs torque @ 5,100.


Another turbo, better numbers...

stock f23 bottom end
stock h22 head
t3 t70 turbonetics with ptrim custom turbo kit (not even in the efficiency range of the turbo)
10 psi on pump gas!!!!
lifting @ 6k

[allmotoronly]

ok i read it wrong with just the bare g23 motor with k20 pistons it makes 200+whp if u dont believe me dont argue on here go look at page 92 of the febuary import tuner and it makes 260+whp with the shit they built it with

Think about that the fuck you are saying. There's no way in hell you can get 200whp out of a "bare" g23 motor with just K20 pistons. The JDM H22A type S has the same compression ratio as the "G23" with K20 pistons would have, and has better cams, larger throttle body, etc. Even it only makes around 185-190whp, on a good day!

Oh and by the way, a stock F23 bottom end is NOT built to handle the extra RPM required to even make use of the H22A head.

[speedminded]

Oh and by the way, a stock F23 bottom end is NOT built to handle the extra RPM required to even make use of the H22A head.

= spun bearings in no time.

[Nang]

Then there's this one...

stock f23a bottom end
h22a head (ported and polished)
ported and port matched intake manifold
1 piece cold air intake
DC clone by a EX DC employee (heheh )
Tanabe Hyper Medallion exhaust i found for 150 the only cat-back that is straight thru muffler design.. love the sound
Skunk2 Cam gears
P28 ecu/chipped/uberdata
h23a transmission
stock fly/clutch for now

Tuned it made 159whp@6,300 & 152ft-lbs torque @ 5,100.

the numbers are low on that one cos it running the stock F pistons = low comp. 8.8:1 or something like that

[dabuilding]

ok i dont care wat u have to argue about im going by there build and it was 200whp not crank this is strait out of the magazine so argue with them

[dabuilding]

Sooo...250 crank hp out of this huh?

F23A Complete Short Block (used) - $200
(block,rods,oil pan,oil and water pumps, crank timing cog and pulley, ext. water lines, and sensors)
H22A Complete Head (Used) - $300
(assembled head and valve cover, intake manifold, throttle body, distributor, fuel rail and lines, sensors and header)
H22A Timing Cog (Used) - $25
H22A Timing Belt (New) - $50
H22A Head Studs (New) - $50
H22A Head Gasket (New) - $50
H22A P13 Ecu (Used) - $75
B-Series Transmission Of Your Choice - $300
K20A Pistons OEM Or Aftermarket (Used) - $100
Stainless Steel Bolts For Oil Drain Blocking - $1
B-Series Clitch And Flywheel (Used) - $100
H22 Water Pump (Used) - $10
K20 Piston Rings, F23 Bearings, OE H22 Gasket Set - $200
DA Integra CV Shafts - $50
Fabrication (Mounts, Linkage, Intake, Exhaust) - $300

Grand Total - $1,811


Then 260whp out of this?

G23 Vtec - $1811
Six Sigma Header - $800
Cams And Cam Gears - $500
Supertech Valve Springs and Titanium Retainers - $315
QSD H2B Adapter Kit - $750
Kaizenspeed Balance Shaft Removal Kit - $150
Act Prolite Flywheel - $260
Clutch Masters Fx500 Clutch - $310
TWM Individual Throttle Bodies - $1500
Crome Tuning - $300

Grand Total - $6,696

somebody cant read 250....wat! i said 200

[allmotoronly]

ok i dont care wat u have to argue about im going by there build and it was 200whp not crank this is strait out of the magazine so argue with them

Whatever kid. It's a horrendous waste of time and money. If you want something reliable just get a h22a or f20b. You will make more power and won't have reliability issues. But don't listen to those of us who have actually done it, listen to some ricer magazine.

[Nang]

i dont believe its a waste but hey thats me

[allmotoronly]

i dont believe its a waste but hey thats me

How is it not a waste? You will spend way more money on a setup that makes less power than a stock h22a. Just buy a h22a, get a set of skunk 2 pro 2 cams, a euro r intake mani and a good header. It will be much more reliable and make better power.

[dabuilding]

well im not saying u guys are wrong ill take it all into consideration i just dont have alot of money u know times are hard and i want a setup i can afford and have a good bit of power thanx for all the input but wat about mirz who does have one and is still driving it

[allmotoronly]

If you don't have a lot of money, why waste money on the G23? Stop kidding yourself. You are not going to be able to build it for less than $1500... For $1500 you can buy a complete H22A which will make more power and be far more reliable.

If you wanted to build a "G23" to be able to handle the extra RPM's required to take advantage of the DOHC VTEC head, you are going to have to completely tear the bottom end down and rebuild using aftermarket "Race" bearings and other componants. A F23 bottom end was not designed to turn 8K+ rpm. By the time you pay a machine shop to do all the prep work to the block, install new bearings, install K20A pistons, you will have at least $600 in the bottom end alone, not even counting the price of the block. The H22A head is going to set you back about $400. Then (if you aren't a dumbass) you are going to want to have it prepped by a machine shop also (check tolerances, etc). Throw in a few hundred more dollars for all the other little shit involved, plus paying someone to assemble the engine, and now you are getting close to $1500.

JUST BUY A DAMN H22A. Think about it. How can a stock parts "G23" make more power than a H22A? Even if you use the K20A pistons in the G23 it will still only have close to the same compression ratio as a stock H22A. It's reall not worth the time and money. Buy a H22A, throw a set of cams in it, a good header, euro R intake mani, a good tune, and call it a day. That should put you over 200whp, and it will last forever if you take care of it.

[speedminded]

somebody cant read 250....wat! i said 200

ok i dont care wat u have to argue about im going by there build and it was 200whp not crank this is strait out of the magazine so argue with them

Do you even know the difference between crank horsepower (bhp) and wheel horsepower (whp)???

Plus do you know how much climate effects a dyno? In the perfect near zero humidity of California the numbers and even drag times are vastly better.

[BABY J]

I hate having friends in CA and Seattle and getting texts/emails about their N/A cars hp or timeslips. LMAO. Shits not fair when you're 42ft above sea-level. LMAO

[yunglaosta]

got the magazine yesterday sick article. guess we're gonna have more franks on da street now

[csmiths]

emmino pretty much has this thread on lock with all the facts. not worth it. end of story

[yunglaosta]

also are g23's heavy just like the h22s?

[speedminded]

also are g23's heavy just like the h22s?

What makes you think an H22 is heavy?

[Nang]

What makes you think an H22 is heavy?

because he read it somewhere i bet

[nreggie454]

also are g23's heavy just like the h22s?

Apparently, the H22 is only about 35 pounds heavier than a B series, but with ~30 more ft/lbs of torque. Totally worth it IMO.

Just go with the H22A. The G23 sounds like a less researched LS/VTEC (which pop all the time), so I wouldn't be too sure about its reliability.

[speedminded]

because he read it somewhere i bet

[yunglaosta]

What makes you think an H22 is heavy?

heard it from someone, but hey if u say im wrong den im wrong.

[BABY J]

Build what you want to build.