Rotas + Track = F.A.I.L

[BTLFED]

Sure, i think a lot of them are toward you, and the general JDM fanboy mentality. I just don't understand what your point is most of the time. You make threads like this one, spreading half-truths to try and spin your view. Are rotas the highest quality wheel? No. People put wheels on their cars that they like. You've made other threads bashing OEM wheels yet you spend tons of money on JDM oem front ends + paint. You make a point to brag about a b16 at every chance and frown upon anyone that tries something that's not mainstream. You complain about the Atlanta car scene being stale, yet you yourself seem to be locked into a honda-tech formed mold. Sometimes it just feels like you make it a point to bash anything thats not of your taste rather than embracing different ideas. The open mindedness of most EF owners has always been one of my favorite parts of the chassis and crowd. Don't take this as hate, as i still respect you. I just wish you would open your mind and appreciate the different views and ideas of other people rather than coming across so condescending. After all, if everyone had a JDM front and Mugen wheels, who would take pictures of them anymore?

/RANT

BTW, my car isnt slammed or rocks low offset wheels

I'm a very old school EF owner and I hate you all.

[green91]

I'm a very old school EF owner and I hate you all.

Who are you again???

[BTLFED]

Who are you again???

Your daddy.

[bigdare23]

Aiight homie

Sure, I think a lot of them are toward you, and the general JDM fanboy mentality. I just don't understand what your point is most of the time. You make threads like this one, spreading half-truths to try and spin your view.

1st, This is a discussion forum, so why not have a discussion on a topic that is plaguing the originality of the import scene.

2nd, It's not against the rules to post my opinion on the internet. I hate the fact that rota sacrificed originality to make a buck. Don't like my opinion cool, debate or leave.

3rd, I actually just quoted that post form another forum just for shits and giggles, hence the thread's name. I didn't think a wheel would yield like that due to hitting caliper (yeah, I already knew the reason behind the problem ) Plus, I didn't even post anything besides "I got this from another forum and just wanted to share." Then BAM rota fanboys to the rescue.

Are rotas the highest quality wheel? No. People put wheels on their cars that they like. You've made other threads bashing OEM wheels yet you spend tons of money on JDM oem front ends + paint.

Cool, you like a rim save up and get the original. Can't find it? Look a little harder. Can't afford them? Save a little longer. Once you finally get them, it makes it soooo much sweeter because you actually put an effort into your build. That's my mentality and that's why I love and appreciate my car soooo much. You don't really see the love and pain behind the builds anymore. All you see is people rushing and building half ass "ebay" cars using cheap parts.

As for oem rims... My biggest problem with them is, I see them as a waste to buy. I would rather see someone pay $450 for a set of rota's then some GSR blades. What can I say, bout time you pay $300 for a set of Si's with 30% trend life on the tires, then you buy a decent set of tires, you could of gotten atleast a set of rota's or could of saved slightly more and gotten some decent wheels. Also, I dislike a lot of the OEM rockers' atittude toward other people cars. If you actually read my "oem rim bashing" thread, you would of caught the original reason behind it. It was because a bunch of OEM rocking, ebay coilovers riding chumps where actually bashing someone picture thread when their cars were basically stock. How can you bash someone who's car is freshly painted and has a nice set of wheels, when you drive a beater with curved fat fives?

You make a point to brag about a b16 at every chance and frown upon anyone that tries something that's not mainstream.

I brag about my b16? Dude, be for real. What you consider "bragging" is just me messing around with my friends. I am actually friends in real life with majority of the people that post up in the EF Squad. Do I think b16 are the greatest Honda motor ever made? Yep. Why? Definitely not because of it’s torque or horsepower, but because this motor was cutting edge at it’s prime and led the way for GSR’s, Type R’s, and the current K’s. That’s why I defend the motor when you and the rest of the other anti-DOHC or anti-VTEC people bash the motor. Also, I don’t frown upon anyone that’s going to be different. I state the truth. If you are trying to build a N/A beast and you are using a LS or any D-series motor, I’m going to tell you that you are wasting time. Not because I’m bashing, its because it’s proven. Cool, you want to be different high five, but why wasting your time and money recreating the wheel. Don’t like my opinion cool, I don’t care.

You complain about the Atlanta car scene being stale, yet you yourself seem to be locked into a honda-tech formed mold.Sometimes it just feels like you make it a point to bash anything thats not of your taste rather than embracing different ideas.

LOL, you make these claims like you really know me. I have less than 400post on that site even tho I been a member on there since the early 2000s. I actually hate most of the styles that come from Cali (since that's H-T's homeland). 0 offset rims on a honda = bullshit, slamming your car to the ground = not functional. So how am I locked on a "mold" that I don't even like? What I do like about honda-tech is people actually taking the time to "build" car's rather than throw them together over night. When they want something they actually get it, rather than settling. You act like I bash on everyone. I actually never really bash anyone car unless they are a jackass. If you look at the Car Pic section, you would actually see defending a lot of people that are getting bashed or giving my true opinion on car's rather than saying what everyone else is saying. For an example, if you are rocking 17's on your eg, Import Atlanta's generic response is "Those rims are too big". Not mines, I would actually judge the car based on the look even tho that's not my style. So I don't see why you think I bash everything that not my style.

The open mindedness of most EF owners has always been one of my favorite parts of the chassis and crowd. Don't take this as hate, as i still respect you. I just wish you would open your mind and appreciate the different views and ideas of other people rather than coming across so condescending.

Even if you don’t think so, I am very open minded. I have been in the game since I before I started driving. I did OEM, Rice, JDM, SOHC, and now DOHC. I did it all. I wasted a lot of money by taking short cuts and went down a lot of dead ends. That’s why I have the mind set I do now. I hate wasting money and not being happy with the results. That’s why I preach what I do. Because I been there, done that, and learned. So if you are trying to making a quick N/A d-series cool. But when you say I’m going to make a 200hp N/A d-series, then I’m going to tell you my opinion. If you say I’m going to beat Type R’s all day, I’m going to give you a reality check. That’s just me. Is that stuff possible, true. Is it likely, nawww.

I guess after learning so much about the difficulties of the patents process, I learned to appreciate original ideas. So if someone spent the time to research and develop something, I’m going to buy that rather the cheaper copy.


Green91, we might never see eye to eye, but I respect you, your car, and you skills. Personally, I would like you to continue to contribute to the EF Squad. People like you, Jfrolang, StraightSix, and myself are actually needed to continue to guide those EF noobs the right way, so hopefully you don’t take this debate or any other one we had to heart, because at the end, it’s all just the internet…

[speedminded]

3rd, I actually just quoted that post form another forum just for shits and giggles, hence the thread's name. I didn't think a wheel would yield like that due to hitting caliper (yeah, I already knew the reason behind the problem ) Plus, I didn't even post anything besides "I got this from another forum and just wanted to share." Then BAM rota fanboys to the rescue.

You're full of shit. If that was the case then you would have titled it Track + Idiot Mechanic = F.A.I.L.. If you knew it would end up as bigdare23 + anti budget wheel mentality = I.D.I.O.T. then you wouldn't have posted it. You can blame Charlize Theron as much as you can blame Rota for what happened to that wheel.

I had $1,400+ into the suspension on my Integra, not counting strut or sway bars yet I ran on Rota's with Falken Azenis. You hit a pot hole or one of Atlanta's famous surprise road plates hard enough you're going to bend or break a wheel, doesn't matter what it cost or what it's made of. To save a few pounds it's not worth the hundred's of extra dollars. On the track where tenths of a second per lap are important then shedding weight is.

I crewed for a Honda Challenge team that had OVER $1,400 EACH CORNER in suspension in each of the cars and we ran Team Dynamics, Kosei K1's, and SSR Comps with Hoosier slicks. Other than the SSR's the tires alone were worth nearly double what the wheels cost. The Team Dynamics performed just as well as the SSR Comps, didn't look as nice but performance is the same with marginal difference in weight.

As for as balling wheels and the track, I keep reading HRE has been banned by IMSA and most BMW and Porsche clubs for use on track days. Not positive if the same is for Kenesis or not or how many of the problems were linked to powdercoating.

[bigdare23]

You're full of shit. If that was the case then you would have titled it Track + Idiot Mechanic = F.A.I.L.. If you knew it would end up as bigdare23 + anti budget wheel mentality = I.D.I.O.T. then you wouldn't have posted it. You can blame Charlize Theron as much as you can blame Rota for what happened to that wheel.

I had $1,400+ into the suspension on my Integra, not counting strut or sway bars yet I ran on Rota's with Falken Azenis. You hit a pot hole or one of Atlanta's famous surprise road plates hard enough you're going to bend or break a wheel, doesn't matter what it cost or what it's made of. To save a few pounds it's not worth the hundred's of extra dollars. On the track where tenths of a second per lap are important then shedding weight is.

I crewed for a Honda Challenge team that had OVER $1,400 EACH CORNER in suspension in each of the cars and we ran Team Dynamics, Kosei K1's, and SSR Comps with Hoosier slicks. Other than the SSR's the tires alone were worth nearly double what the wheels cost. The Team Dynamics performed just as well as the SSR Comps, didn't look as nice but performance is the same with marginal difference in weight.

As for as balling wheels and the track, I keep reading HRE has been banned by IMSA and most BMW and Porsche clubs for use on track days. Not positive if the same is for Kenesis or not or how many of the problems were linked to powdercoating.

Well thanks for sharing



I'm done with the thread

[Thighs]

Because I been there, done that, and learned. So if you are trying to making a quick N/A d-series cool. But when you say I’m going to make a 200hp N/A d-series, then I’m going to tell you my opinion. If you say I’m going to beat Type R’s all day, I’m going to give you a reality check. That’s just me. Is that stuff possible, true. Is it likely, nawww.

LOLOL. i have ridden in a car with a mostly stock NA d-series that was door to door with type-rs... it doesnt take much in a car that weighs 1900lbs to keep up with a type r. i/h/e and a chip, and it does exactly what youre saying is unlikely. a 200 hp d in an EF would rape alot of cars that it shouldnt be able to.

[Echonova]

[mushroom_toy]

I agree.

[Papa_Smurf]

dare you're a b16 fan boy who has to have everything jdm.

i'll put down 5 double cheese burgers says my zc will beat you. know you it's a vtec killa!

[Thighs]

i just couldnt justify spending more than half the price of my CAR on a set of wheels. im looking for a set of team dynamics for it right now, in fact. bbs wheels would sure look nice, but my car is worth maybe 2500 AT BEST, so 1500 for a set of wheels? ill pass. especially with the roads around here. i bent the fuck out of 2 stock miata wheels on 50 series tires by hitting one of the good old surprise road plates, i think ill pass on doing the same to a set of bbs rs or similar. team dynamics 1.2s are ALOT cheaper to replace at ~100 a wheel.

[speedminded]

i just couldnt justify spending more than half the price of my CAR on a set of wheels. im looking for a set of team dynamics for it right now, in fact. bbs wheels would sure look nice, but my car is worth maybe 2500 AT BEST, so 1500 for a set of wheels? ill pass. especially with the roads around here. i bent the fuck out of 2 stock miata wheels on 50 series tires by hitting one of the good old surprise road plates, i think ill pass on doing the same to a set of bbs rs or similar. team dynamics 1.2s are ALOT cheaper to replace at ~100 a wheel.

I paid over a grand for my used BBS [w/ tires] going on a $600 car Granted it won't quite be a $600 car when I'm done with it lol...or hope not anyways. I will have a set of Team Dynamic 1.2's as beater/autocross/track wheels: 1) Cleaning the BBS wheels with a q-tip is a bitch 2) Aggressive brake pads will destroy a wheel in one event. 3) Slicks suck on the street.

[Andy_013]

^^lol

[HatchHero]

lol

[green91]

maybe i'll trade my rotas for some konigs lol

[1SICKLEX]

I've gone from knock-offs (Diablo) to JDM wheels (Weds) all sorts of Lexus OEM wheels and now BBS.

By FAR the BBS wheels are the strongest and I don't see myself buying another brand. Having driven the same roads, tracks etc with the same car (GS 400/430) with different wheels, I KNOW the BBS wheels are worth it and are built to a higher standard.

I do agree wheel failure can happen to ANYONE/ANY WHEEL under certain situations but there is a lesser chance with PROVEN wheels.

I find wheel/Tire choices to be among the worst among people. The other thing I don't get is putting great wheels on your car with crap or average tires. WTF?