on the strip a stock s2k will usually run 13.9 - to 14.4(with a good driver, a ****ty driver will be in the 15's), a type r will usually run 14.4 to 15.1 give or take a tenth or two, and on a real track the itr is prob the best fwd handling ever produced by any auto maker, but the s definety is a little less forgiving than the R but def rotates faster and handles better than a r, end of story.