E92 M3 > GT-R

[tony]

Yeah I know that will get some arguments going..

Anyway as if I wasn't already convinced on the M3 I see these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEFV4...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx_6NLWhOWc&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcKUP...eature=related

Honestly I know it would be crazy to choose an M3 over the GT-R, I absolutely love the look of the R35 and everything but I just don't care for turbos really. Naturally aspirated just adds to the whole driving experience and I will take high rev with a sweet exhaust note over low torque any day.

Sometimes its not about how fast you get from point A to point B, I think as you get older you appreciate the experience in getting there more than the speed itself.

Havent driven either one so obviously my opinion isn't worth on both cars but

[alpine_aw11]

Sounds mean as hell. As far as M3 vs. GTR, I'd take the M3. Gotta have the stick shift.

[EJ25RUN]

No it doesn't sound crazy to pick an M3 over a GTR. Car & Driver (no matter what your opinion of them is) took it over the GTR and a 911 Turbo


Here’s the list of the 2008 winners International Engine of the Year Awards:

International Engine of the Year 2008
BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo (135i, 335i, X6)

Best New Engine of 2008
BMW 2-litre Diesel Twin-Turbo (123D)

Green Engine of the Year
Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)

Best Performance Engine
Porsche 3.6-litre Turbo (911 Turbo, 911 GT2)

Sub 1-litre
Toyota 1-litre (Aygo, Yaris, Peugeot 107, Citroën C1, Subaru Justy)

1-litre to 1.4-litre
Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger (Golf, Touran, Tiguan, Jetta)

1.4-litre to 1.8-litre
BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo (MINI Cooper S, Clubman, Peugeot 207, 308)

1.8-litre to 2-litre
Volkswagen/Audi 2-litre Turbo (A3, A4 Cabrio, A6, TT, Eos, Jetta, Golf GTi, Altea, Leon, Skoda Octavia)

2-litre to 2.5-litre
Subaru 2.5-litre Turbo (Forester, Impreza, Outback, Legacy)

2.5-litre to 3-litre
BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo (135i, 335i, X6)

3-litre to 4-litre
BMW 4-litre V8 (M3)

Above 4-litre
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

[Elbow]

A V8 that revs to 8k is fine by me

They are quick cars.

[The Creeper]

The new M3's are pure sex.

[man]

Sometimes its not about how fast you get from point A to point B, I think as you get older you appreciate the experience in getting there more than the speed itself.

Agree 100%, it's not like most people will actually benefit from having a faster car unless you're racing for money.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

M3>GTR.

Nutswingers FTL.

[CHADbee]

M3>GTR.

Nutswingers FTL.

the people on the anti-GTR bandwagon FTL

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

the people on the anti-GTR bandwagon FTL

Nah. It's not even like that. I just hate how everyone is all over the GTR in every way possible, you know? The car looks great, it's fast, I wouldn't mind owning one at all but I just have more love towards the M3. Call me stupid, but for some reason I'd love to have a R33 more than a R35. (Ok, don't really call me stupid, lol.) Maybe it's because im european and europeans gotta stick together, or idk? LOL.

[CHADbee]

sounds sick and its a VERY nice car but id take the GTR all day over the new M3

call me a nut swinger but i just like the GTR alot LOL

[bigdare23]

call me a nut swinger

Okay Chad

NUT SWINGER

[JITB]

i cant really agree tony.....lol u now id take the gtr...

id take the C63 over the M3....


Bmw's are great... but.. they seem kind of boring..to me.. especially the new m3. and the interior also is too bland.. but great car.

[CHADbee]

i cant really agree tony.....lol u now id take the gtr...

id take the C63 over the M3....


Bmw's are great... but.. they seem kind of boring..to me.. especially the new m3. and the interior also is too bland.. but great car.

i agree with that...the M3 is a beast and an AMAZING car that i would not mind owning at all. i guess it kinda comes down to your taste and what you want out of a car.

in my eyes the M3 vs GTR is like accord coupe VS camaro

2 different classes of cars really. the M3 is one of the best, if not THE best luxury coupe ever made...but in the end it is a luxury coupe where the GTR is a sports car. i think they were built for 2 different kind of car people.

i want both

[alpine_aw11]

i agree with that...the M3 is a beast and an AMAZING car that i would not mind owning at all. i guess it kinda comes down to your taste and what you want out of a car.

in my eyes the M3 vs GTR is like accord coupe VS camaro

2 different classes of cars really. the M3 is one of the best, if not THE best luxury coupe ever made...but in the end it is a luxury coupe where the GTR is a sports car. i think they were built for 2 different kind of car people.

i want both

I wouldn't necessarily say that an m3 isn't a sports car.

[CHADbee]

Nah. It's not even like that. I just hate how everyone is all over the GTR in every way possible, you know? The car looks great, it's fast, I wouldn't mind owning one at all but I just have more love towards the M3. Call me stupid, but for some reason I'd love to have a R33 more than a R35. (Ok, don't really call me stupid, lol.) Maybe it's because im european and europeans gotta stick together, or idk? LOL.

to be honest there more anti-GTR people as of late that pro-GTR people. being anti-GTR is the cool new thing. M3 has your roots and thats totally understandable. id have a really hard time picking a R33/R34/R35 GTR i all 3 were in front of me.

I wouldn't necessarily say that an m3 isn't a sports car.

i guess you could call it a luxury sports car but the luxury part is the main goal of the M3 where a GTRs main goal is track times so in my eyes they are two totally different amazing cars.

[EJ25RUN]

i guess you could call it a luxury sports car but the luxury part is the main goal of the M3 where a GTRs main goal is track times

read the back ground story into the making of the R35 and you will see how false that is. The ultimate goal of the GTR was to be able to sell that car on 3 continents for the first time and there for road manners were very important. Most of the people in the tuner scene think the US always gets the worst version of a car compared to Japan but that is not true. First of all there is the 112 MPH speed limiter and then the fact that the Japanese R35 GTRs have much softer suspensions than usa models because more of the demographic wants that.

[EJ25RUN]

but in the end it is a luxury coupe where the GTR is a sports car. i think they were built for 2 different kind of car people.

Im gonna have to say you got those backwards. Here is why.

No matter how advanced that double clutch box is from the gtr, the fact that it is missing a "real mans gearbox" makes if fall flat on its face.

My definition of a sports car has no time frame. Look at an MG from the mid 50's. It was beyond basic. Just what you need to drive which is what the M badge has not sold out to.

The GTR is a luxury coupe, why? The fact that im not having to multi task like a champ shifting and kicking a clutch. It is just the case that any car with a manual is just more sports than any other car without one.

Sometimes Fun of driving > tenths off a lap time.

All i have explained there is the dry defintion of a sports car and it is all objective.

[CHADbee]

Im gonna have to say you got those backwards. Here is why.

No matter how advanced that double clutch box is from the gtr, the fact that it is missing a "real mans gearbox" makes if fall flat on its face.

My definition of a sports car has no time frame. Look at an MG from the mid 50's. It was beyond basic. Just what you need to drive which is what the M badge has not sold out to.

The GTR is a luxury coupe, why? The fact that im not having to multi task like a champ shifting and kicking a clutch. It is just the case that any car with a 5 speed is just more sports than any other car without one.

Sometimes Fun of driving > tenths off a lap time.

i agree 100 freaky percent!!!!! thats why i love 6 speed supras over TH400 supras. but like i said the car built for fast track times....and the tranny thats in the GTR while pretty gay and unmanly does serve its purpose....faster track times.

im right there with ya....id rather have a 6 speed and be alittle slower. but the purpose of the M3 and the GTR is different. BMW built the car to pimp haaarder and give ya a kick while doing it. nissan built the GTR to be a track beast off the show room floor.

GTR=kick @ss on the track no matter what(having a gay auto)
M3=high class luxury(main purpose) with a twist of go fast.

that^ is why i say they are different.

[JBalla1036]

Im gonna have to say you got those backwards. Here is why.

No matter how advanced that double clutch box is from the gtr, the fact that it is missing a "real mans gearbox" makes if fall flat on its face.

I love it when ppl say this about the GT-R, so basically ur saying that F1 cars are missing a real mans gearbox???

[Elbow]

I love it when ppl say this about the GT-R, so basically ur saying that F1 cars are missing a real mans gearbox???

lol i'm sure you know a race cars paddle shifting gear box is a TAD more "hardcore" then a nice quiet non exotic street cars.

[EJ25RUN]

I love it when ppl say this about the GT-R, so basically ur saying that F1 cars are missing a real mans gearbox???

Yes. yes they are. In the cars we have drive since a 1920's Cadillac introduced a driving setup consisting of a clutch, break, gas pedal in the way they currently sit, that's how cars were meant to be driven.

F1 is at the extreme end. Here's why, an F1 driver is 90% mental ability. And the move from an H box to a Paddle setup made sense since modern F1 cars have aerodynamic and mechanical grip that normal cars will NEVER EVER achieve. It allows them to have cornering and breaking speed that far more impresses me than even their acceleration. In that extreme environment, it only makes sense to give a driver the ability to adjust and change as fast as the driver can think, and changing gears is one of those things. It is just impossible to do it that fast in a car that adjusts millions of times in milliseconds. It would be almost unsafe to do it in a modern f1 car

When Ferrari introduced the paddle shift setup in 1989, it was a slight advantage but the rest of the car was crap. Racing is simply "Monkey see, Monkey do". Once something is proven, everyone must have it. In later years, it was the norm. In 2008, the wheel covers and a 2nd wing element above the front wing itself take the role of this years must have techs.

I say as long as a part is not an active component....i.e traction control, launch control, active suspension, it is legal in my eyes.

A street car walks a different line to me. Should all cars have a H box. Of course not. Should most have it as an option,

Here is a sad hurdle. When BMW put a true manual in the M5 years back to go side to side with the SMG. Yes it was more involving and fun. But it was appallingly slower. Still, i would have opted for it.

Same for the GTR. If the GTR had a REAL MANS GEARBOX, my opinion would change completely even though i know the car would be at least 10 seconds slower around the Nurburgring.

[tony]

ii guess it kinda comes down to your taste and what you want out of a car.



i want both

Thats really what it is, my taste has changed over the years and initially it would be the GT-R hands down.. the perfect situation would be to have both in the driveway but if I had to choose one, something in me just says I would take the M3.

The one reason I would take the GT-R first is because its more practical in all weather conditions.

[Elbow]

i agree with that...the M3 is a beast and an AMAZING car that i would not mind owning at all. i guess it kinda comes down to your taste and what you want out of a car.

in my eyes the M3 vs GTR is like accord coupe VS camaro

2 different classes of cars really. the M3 is one of the best, if not THE best luxury coupe ever made...but in the end it is a luxury coupe where the GTR is a sports car. i think they were built for 2 different kind of car people.

i want both

A M3 has always been a luxury coupe?!!? WTF is wrong with you?? HOW IS A GTR A SPORTS CAR???

And then you go on to say BMW made the M3 to be a pimp or something...BMW made the M3 as a street legal track car. I have seen a new M3 do nice FAST laps at Road Atlanta all day. They are fast on track. BMW has racing heritage, the M is like THE BMW.

[JITB]

A M3 has always been a luxury coupe?!!? WTF is wrong with you?? HOW IS A GTR A SPORTS CAR???

And then you go on to say BMW made the M3 to be a pimp or something...BMW made the M3 as a street legal track car. I have seen a new M3 do nice FAST laps at Road Atlanta all day. They are fast on track. BMW has racing heritage, the M is like THE BMW.

the gtr isnt a sports car?

[Elbow]

the gtr isnt a sports car?

No actually it's not...

[MidLifeCrisis]

i cant really agree tony.....lol u now id take the gtr...

id take the C63 over the M3....


Bmw's are great... but.. they seem kind of boring..to me.. especially the new m3. and the interior also is too bland.. but great car.

dammit man! and i thought our tastes in cars were one! i <3 bmws.

[JITB]

dammit man! and i thought our tastes in cars were one! i <3 bmws.

[mrt0mjones]

The Paddleshift on the Gtr isnt as bad as the SMG on the bimmers (i think the smg is sloppy as hell)

I love the m3, i'd drive the m3 and all, but overall performance has already been decided.

Check youtube on the gtr vs m3, clarkson tears um up, and some other indian guy does too. the m3 is nice, but the gtr just outperforms alot of it.


I'd still take the m3 though...

[KevinT707]

Sounds sick! The exhaust note gives me chills ..

[Alan®]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz0mJ...eature=related

[Gilgamesh]

they are both luxury cars, sports cars are bare bones hardcore no electronic BS cars.

if you have a big screen in the dash then its not a true sports car.

[Alan®]

if you have a big screen in the dash then its not a true sports car.

wow did you not realize that both can be had with screens

[Gilgamesh]

oh and id take the M3, there is nothing like a high revving V8

[OneSlow5pt0]

yea C63 AMG > M3

ill take Benz over any car in every class

[Kaiser]

I'll take a Benz powered Italian Supercar over any blando Benz any day. The new C is a step in the right direction though, that's for sure.




For those that don't know, Pagani Zonda uses a 7+ Liter Benz V12.

[willum14pb]

To each his own, however i will point out that the m3 in video #2 sounds ****ing MEAN!

[ttman]

i would take the GTR over it because it looks like any other BMW. the GTR doesn't have an identity crisis.

[1SICKLEX]

C&D is crap reading. You know every month the Honda or BMW is going to win. I use it for lighting the fireplace. Its crap. EVO/CAR/ Top Gear or mags you buy.

"M" stands for Mass. The new BMW M cars get faster but bigger and heavier and less involving each go round. EVO picked the E30 M3 over EVERY SINGLE "M" as the best M car.

Is the new M superb? Yes, it still is. V-8, good size package, handling and power galore.

The GT-R takes that to the NEXT LEVEL. The GT-R wipes the floor with the M3, IS-F, C63 and RS4. Its not even close.

[RL...]

C&D is crap reading. You know every month the Honda or BMW is going to win. I use it for lighting the fireplace. Its crap. EVO/CAR/ Top Gear or mags you buy.

"M" stands for Mass. The new BMW M cars get faster but bigger and heavier and less involving each go round. EVO picked the E30 M3 over EVERY SINGLE "M" as the best M car.

Is the new M superb? Yes, it still is. V-8, good size package, handling and power galore.

The GT-R takes that to the NEXT LEVEL. The GT-R wipes the floor with the M3, IS-F, C63 and RS4. Its not even close.

I like this guy^^^^

But all m3's are the ****! It would have to drive both cars before saying which is better....

[Alan®]

C&D is crap reading. You know every month the Honda or BMW is going to win. I use it for lighting the fireplace. Its crap. EVO/CAR/ Top Gear or mags you buy.

"M" stands for Mass. The new BMW M cars get faster but bigger and heavier and less involving each go round. EVO picked the E30 M3 over EVERY SINGLE "M" as the best M car.

Is the new M superb? Yes, it still is. V-8, good size package, handling and power galore.

The GT-R takes that to the NEXT LEVEL. The GT-R wipes the floor with the M3, IS-F, C63 and RS4. Its not even close.

You know I read C&D, Motor Trend, etc. every month and have never picked up a copy of Top Gear. I can't find it anywhere I'm sure Barnes and Noble would have it but Kroger, etc. don't carry it