OMGFNGAWDOriginally Posted by simontibbett
did you really neg rep me in this thread cause i spoke my mind
cause i stated my opinion?
you have + reps in your CP cause hopefully that will relieve some stress in your life
OMGFNGAWD
did you really neg rep me in this thread cause i spoke my mind
cause i stated my opinion?
you have + reps in your CP cause hopefully that will relieve some stress in your life
I disagree, paddle shifting has everything to do with talent vs technology.
I bet you I could sit in the GT-R, engage Launch control, put it in R6 mode, slam through the gears and hit good 1/4 mile times CONSISTENTLY. The only thing I have to do is steer and even that is taken away by the genius ATTESA system!
If an expert can hit 11.6 in that car, I can hit 11.8.
Take a RWD car in comparison, if an expert can hit 11.5, I can perhaps only hit 12.5. IT takes lots of practice to launch, shift and steer correctly.
gtr has avg Mpg.. and a ole 88 mazda 323 gtx had average mpg, on the digital dash.
Of course, you're not allowed to like H shifters - paddle shifters with slush boxes are da bomb yo!
ugh, I feel so.. dirty south just from saying that!
GTR > M3 lol
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I still say its all about who wants to go the fastest. If you want to be very comfy and have a quick car get an M3, if you want to go faster and still have an "involved" car then you have to make sacrifices in comfort. If you want comfort and speed then you make sacrifices in the "involved" feel of the car. As for the car driving itself, yes a paddle shifted car like the GTR can make an idiot go fast in a straight line but the car still doesn't turn itself or hit the brakes for you. The driver still has to be good to get good times. If you want a pure fun car to drive get a Miata, if you want a fast luxury coupe, get an M3 if your want a fast ass car in any conditions wait for the Vspec next year.
Now for everyone saying the M3 has heritage or soul and the GTR doesn't. Lets look at who has held true to the cars heritage. Both cars started as homolagation cars in the eighties. The M3 was a lightweight high revving no frills performance car. Yes it had leather but they were very supportive sport seats and only had 2 doors. It was made as a purist car and had to be driven to be fast. The R32 GTR came in as a heavier, more powerful car with AWD and twin turbos to make the most out of any engine. They used technology to make the car faster, that's what you do to win races. I won't even go into the disappointment that the E36 M3 was, car got fatter, more luxury, and only a marginal power bump from the Evo3's 215hp. The R33 GTR got a little fatter but got much more rigid and some more technology and the car got faster. Then the E46 M3 finally got its balls back but it still got fatter and more toned down. It got some more power and more technology with traction control and stability control to help the car go faster. The R34 GTR weighed about the same, got a better suspension, better AWD system, better turbos, less lag, more power, more rigid, and looked the part of a sports coupe, mean yet tasteful enough to park at the country club if we had them. The E92 gained even more weight, got more luxury, more driving aids, more technology to compensate and a decent power bump to make it fast enough. The R35 is still using a 6 cylinder twin turbo AWD platform to squeeze as much performance as you can out of a performance coupe and BMW has changed their setup yet again. When you look at the two cars heritage the GTR has held very true to its roots of race proven performance and high power AWD. The only trend BMW has upheld with the M3's is adding more weight and making the car something it wasn't meant to be. Yes the M3 is the most winning car in racing history but except for the E30 the race versions are far from the street versions. And the group A R32's were a far departure from the normal GTR I know.
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"So long and thanks for all the fish"
Remember Audi Quattro was so incredible, it was banned from Racing in the 1980s...
Also the Skyline pre-dates the 1980s...the GT-R came later of course.....Today they seperated Skyline (our G35/37) and GT-R.
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IN 5 years you all will wondered why u ever had anything bad to say about the gtr...
or people wont care cause its old news............none cares bout the Z06 really anymore but it was amazing when it came out,i mean it still is.....but its new smell has wore offIN 5 years you all will wondered why u ever had anything bad to say about the gtr...
its just like all these cars that break top speed record,omg their the best car ever nothing can beat them........and im like" a new car will come out in less than year and beat it" then they say "no it wont nothing can touch it"
aka the veyron
^^I'm a lil confused, I think u mean M3. The last M5 only came in a manual.
Here is the kicker. BMW feels SMG is the best way to drive a M car, thus the current M5 had the new 7 speed SMG only. Amazingly it wasnt' Europe that cried, it was AMERICA, who said "we want a manual".
BMW finally made the option of a M5 manual. But they Won't let you turn off the the traction control completely.
So do you pick the M5 with SMG but you can disable all electronics
or
M5 that is a manual but keeps some electronics?
Porsche just debuted a PDK dual clutch and expects American buyers to shift from 70/30 manual auto to 50/50 manual/auto.
Guess what, Europe is ALREADY 50/50 auto/manual with Porsche!!
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No im talking about the E60 M5 (this one \/)
The SMG 7 speed manual
True Manual H 6 speed with a human operated clutch
When i say Manual....i guess i should call it a standard gearbox instead.
now i found this on wiki but i went to every BMW website and cant find anymore info on the 6 speed.
The BMW M5, along with the new M6, were designed to use the new SMG III electrohydraulic manual transmission. The transmission, while responsive at the track, has been criticized for its general lack of smoothness in everyday driving. In October 2006 BMW announced that a 6-speed manual transmission would be available in North America based on suggestions from the motoring press. Unfortunately, this gearbox reduces acceleration performance slightly. The 6-speed manual M5 was marginally slower, since the stability control cannot be disengaged as per the SMG version. The SMG III includes the "Launch Control" feature, which allows maximum performance standing starts automatically. However, the US spec vehicles have a reduced rpm to prevent vehicle damage and abuse.
Do you have a pic of an E60 6 speed manual?
Is it no longer in production?
I think you edited your post on what I was talking about. I seems we both are on the same page now.....
No im talking about the E60 M5 (this one \/)
The SMG 7 speed manual
True Manual H 6 speed with a human operated clutch
When i say Manual....i guess i should call it a standard gearbox instead.
now i found this on wiki but i went to every BMW website and cant find anymore info on the 6 speed.
The BMW M5, along with the new M6, were designed to use the new SMG III electrohydraulic manual transmission. The transmission, while responsive at the track, has been criticized for its general lack of smoothness in everyday driving. In October 2006 BMW announced that a 6-speed manual transmission would be available in North America based on suggestions from the motoring press. Unfortunately, this gearbox reduces acceleration performance slightly. The 6-speed manual M5 was marginally slower, since the stability control cannot be disengaged as per the SMG version. The SMG III includes the "Launch Control" feature, which allows maximum performance standing starts automatically. However, the US spec vehicles have a reduced rpm to prevent vehicle damage and abuse.
Do you have a pic of an E60 6 speed manual?
Is it no longer in production?
I thought you said the last M5 had SMG, but its no biggie.
Lil known fact, the E36 had SMG!! It was primitive but that is where it got its start!
Europe only
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Yeah some people have swapped it into their U.S cars...like E36 325's with SMG. It's pretty interesting if you ask me, i'd love to try one outI think you edited your post on what I was talking about. I seems we both are on the same page now
I thought you said the last M5 had SMG, but its no biggie.
Lil known fact, the E36 had SMG!! It was primitive but that is where it got its start!
Europe only
the V10 M5 comes with automatic
^. I've driven one. The Bimmer store normally has one. They are all special order and limited. I believe BMW said they were only going to make a certain number but I still see them for sale new from time to time.
The traction and all that can be turned off with a simple chip..big whoop. They are slightly slower because of the gear ratio's but not much. If you can get it out of the hole you'll still do low 12's
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