Honda guys listen to me b1tch! yay!

[dorin48]

1st off -- f*ck a B16, but you can find my (crower three-piece cam) thread to lead into how many B16s I have blown up. It's usually the block of choice when guys are young/green and want to get into swaps fast. The more seasoned guys generally laugh at B16s though - but most every goes through a few before stepping up the displacement.

For your motor that you blew in a week - when you got it, did you do a compression check? I'm gonna answer for you - "no". LOL. Also - when some1 sells you a Feel's program - chances are they are full of sh*t. In 15 years of modding Hondas I have not met ONE single person w/ a true Spoon/Feels/TopFuel/Mugen program - hell, not even Skunk2 programs... but many claim their "no rev limiter/fuel cut" mod as a "race-ready" program - BULL!

2... Did you get the engine on the rollers to make sure the "Feel's" tune was good? I'm gonna answer for you "no". Chances are you didn't - then started tooling around town at 8k RPMs.

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On your MSPi build, did you perform a compression-test before you started modding the block? Did u assume this block from some1 else or did you build it from the ground up? Also - I will assume that you didn't run an oil-pressure guage on EITHER of these blocks. I see oiling issues as the number 1 culprit when guys hurt a B series.

1. I understand the value of displacement. I went for a cheaper swap because this is my daily that had a lethargic d15 w/ 226k on it.

2. I always perform atleast one compression check on motors before purchasing and do follow up tests after they are installed. The week long one I even dropped the pan before hand and checked the oil squirters.

3. The feel's program was legit. Shipped to a friend in japan and sent to them from him and returned with a seal. Covered in Kanji lol couldnt read it.

4. As for the rollers after the ecu ya got me there.

5. My most recent happening was a virgin bottom end. Compression check was done before installed.

I dont blame the skepticism but im not green or young, but im not an expert either. Thats why I try to be thorough.

[BABY J]

1. I understand the value of displacement. I went for a cheaper swap because this is my daily that had a lethargic d15 w/ 226k on it.

2. I always perform atleast one compression check on motors before purchasing and do follow up tests after they are installed. The week long one I even dropped the pan before hand and checked the oil squirters.

3. The feel's program was legit. Shipped to a friend in japan and sent to them from him and returned with a seal. Covered in Kanji lol couldnt read it.

4. As for the rollers after the ecu ya got me there.

5. My most recent happening was a virgin bottom end. Compression check was done before installed.

I dont blame the skepticism but im not green or young, but im not an expert either. Thats why I try to be thorough.

Good job on the compression check - but that's just one of many things to take a look at - but at least you did what you could.

But here is where you lose me on your Feel's program --- you sent off for a race-ready map. No offense, real tuners send off for BASE MAPS, and then strap down for some real-world tuning. I HAVE seen some1 do pulls w/ a data logger, and then email those results to a tuner, and get A/F and timing corrections, but even then it's hit and miss and is very intricate work. It's not optimal to do it that way even w/ a competent tuner. But to each his own.

Did you read the crank/bearings/pistons/plugs after this last event? I'd bet oiling issues ate your block --- u never answered about running a OP gauge.

All I can say is man keep at it - racing, even mild builds, is a test of heart. The guys w/ no heart pack up - get a minivan and go home. But the guys w/ hear pick up their scattered block outta the road, tow the b*tch home and start the rebuild.

I do wish you luck on your future builds... make sure builder is competent, and if he doesn't go crazy w/ a digital caliper I wouldn't trust him.

GL homey! Keep building!