ls/v questions lots!!

[The BUCKY]

ok b18a

ls crank and rods with p73 pistons
stock GSR head

goining into a 99 si

1. am i gonna run into any probs putting the motor in. wiring etc.


2. what kinda compression will i be at


3. what can i expect to pay to get the head plugged, taped, and milled


4. what do you reccomend for the conversion kit. piecing it together or spending like 180 for a kit


5. i know its stupid what kind of power have you seen this setup yeild taking into consideration the variables with bolt ons

[bafbrian]

ok b18a

ls crank and rods with p73 pistons
stock GSR head

goining into a 99 si

1. am i gonna run into any probs putting the motor in. wiring etc.


2. what kinda compression will i be at


3. what can i expect to pay to get the head plugged, taped, and milled


4. what do you reccomend for the conversion kit. piecing it together or spending like 180 for a kit


5. i know its stupid what kind of power have you seen this setup yeild taking into consideration the variables with bolt ons

1. The wiring harness should carry over from the B16. Same harness IIRC.

2. IDK, each is a little different, I will try and find the compression calculator for you though.

3. If you get the Golden Kit, I recommend it, it will have everything you need to tap and plug the head.

4. I recommend going with GE Kit.

5. With my setup up, just a CAI, I got 152/120 with a B18B/B16 Head Tuned on Crome at Batlground. Probably gained a few more with the header I got from them.

[The BUCKY]

good info +1

[DarKStaR]

ok b18a

ls crank and rods with p73 pistons
stock GSR head

goining into a 99 si

1. am i gonna run into any probs putting the motor in. wiring etc.No, plug and play


2. what kinda compression will i be ataround 12:1 depending on milling


3. what can i expect to pay to get the head plugged, taped, and milledNot sure on this


4. what do you reccomend for the conversion kit. piecing it together or spending like 180 for a kit I have seen both done and they work the same to me


5. i know its stupid what kind of power have you seen this setup yeild taking into consideration the variables with bolt onsWith some "good" bolt ons i say around 170-180 tuned

Just my

[The BUCKY]

thanks for input.

i figured some plugs would be diff with trying to put an obd1 block in my car. anyone care to input about the machine work or anything else i should do while doing this

[DarKStaR]

Sorry I forgot your car was an obd2 car. You still using stock wiring harness i assume? Are you running a conversion harness? I would recommend one if you dont have one already. If you are going to stick to the obd2 harness you might want to find you a obd2 dizzy.

[Formally...]

ok b18a

ls crank and rods with p73 pistons
stock GSR head

goining into a 99 si

1. am i gonna run into any probs putting the motor in. wiring etc.


2. what kinda compression will i be at


3. what can i expect to pay to get the head plugged, taped, and milled


4. what do you reccomend for the conversion kit. piecing it together or spending like 180 for a kit


5. i know its stupid what kind of power have you seen this setup yeild taking into consideration the variables with bolt ons

1. Depends on if you are keeping it obd2 or not, if so you will have to transfer all the CKF stuff down on the crank timing gear. Also depends on what intake manifold you are using, if you are wanting butterflys to work etc.
2. I dont know off the top of my head... lol
3. You can plug the head yourself, its just a matter of tapping it,and running the plug into it.. milling the head, prob 50$ ish
4. If you are wanting it to look good, the Golden eagle kit works great, comes with the dowel's you need and the plug etc.. I would rock the kit its only around $180 and saves the hassle from finding all the pieces.
5.Dont expect much power over 180whp, thats on the high end. IMO. Torque opposed to y our B16 will prevail...

[EmminoDaGreat]

lol that was me /\/\

[The BUCKY]

1. Depends on if you are keeping it obd2 or not, if so you will have to transfer all the CKF stuff down on the crank timing gear. Also depends on what intake manifold you are using, if you are wanting butterflys to work etc.
2. I dont know off the top of my head... lol
3. You can plug the head yourself, its just a matter of tapping it,and running the plug into it.. milling the head, prob 50$ ish
4. If you are wanting it to look good, the Golden eagle kit works great, comes with the dowel's you need and the plug etc.. I would rock the kit its only around $180 and saves the hassle from finding all the pieces.
5.Dont expect much power over 180whp, thats on the high end. IMO. Torque opposed to y our B16 will prevail...

i am running obd1 but have stock harness.


can you get me the golden eagle kit for $180

[EmminoDaGreat]

If you are running obd1 then the ecu wont look for ckf, therefore you can get away w/o it. You will probably have to extend a few things, and turn the butterflies off in the ecu.

Ill check on the kit for you...

[DarKStaR]

Which ecu are you running?

[00CelicaGT]

I THOUGHT U WERE GOING TO PUT A BUILT/BOOSTED D SERIES IN UR CAR?

P.S. LOOK ON EBAY FOR THE GOLDEN EAGLE KIT FOUND MINE ON THERE FOR $100

[The BUCKY]

I THOUGHT U WERE GOING TO PUT A BUILT/BOOSTED D SERIES IN UR CAR?

P.S. LOOK ON EBAY FOR THE GOLDEN EAGLE KIT FOUND MINE ON THERE FOR $100

ssshhhhh



there wont be any butterflies in teh manifold. and its just a chipped p28. no knock, no o2

[The BUCKY]

anyone else

[DarKStaR]

BTW i calculated your CR using this site http://www.clubcivicquebec.com/compr...r_bserie_f.php And that was using usdm type r pistons. You can use it to play around with different setups.

[southside]

Get a girdle alot of people dont get them and thats why they mess up their blocks.A girdle will help you safely rev to about 8k all day with no problems.

[JDMirza]

Go with P30's instead of P73's.

[kaotickaozpunk]

ok b18a

ls crank and rods with p73 pistons
stock GSR head

goining into a 99 si

1. am i gonna run into any probs putting the motor in. wiring etc.


2. what kinda compression will i be at


3. what can i expect to pay to get the head plugged, taped, and milled


4. what do you reccomend for the conversion kit. piecing it together or spending like 180 for a kit


5. i know its stupid what kind of power have you seen this setup yeild taking into consideration the variables with bolt ons

1. no you wont.... should be a direct bolt in and wiring

2. compression might be a little high i say around 11 somewhere..need to do the math..hahaha.

3. ...........

4. get the golden ls vtec kit...

5.the most ive seen was near 160 to the wheels if tuned properly..

my thoughts:

i think you should build a stout motor...depending on how high you rev that block...you should take cautious on the motors liablity...thats a stock ls block....you should at least have a block gaurd in it, new bearings, rods and pistons( might as well..if you have the cash of course)balance and blue print..and if you have the extra extra cash put a Golden Eagle main girdle kit in it for high reving liability...but other than that good luck and peace out and keep us up to date on the build...

[The BUCKY]

i got the golden eagle conversion, arp rod bolts and head studs, block has new acl bearings also.

[Vteckidd]

Get a girdle alot of people dont get them and thats why they mess up their blocks.A girdle will help you safely rev to about 8k all day with no problems.

no it wont a girdle is worthless unless you have some 10,000 rpm road race motor.

People "mess their blocks up" because STOCK LS rods arent made to see 8200 RPMS. They have weaker an smaller rod bolts and weaker rods. That is what fails

[Vteckidd]

Pretty much everything has been answered in here by Charles.

I wouldnt expect much past 160-165whp with stock cams. youll prob make a good 10-15 ft/lbs over your b16 though which is good.

With ITR Piston you are prob looking at around 11:1 IIRC

http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/c...c/compcalc.php

Id personally use B16 pistons thatll get you to 11.5:1 but ITR is fine.

Id reccommend ARP Rod Bolts, with those you can rev pretty safely to 8200. I wouldnt go much past that though.

GE kit is where it is at, allows a clean hassle free install. Wiring will be the same.

[southside]

no it wont a girdle is worthless unless you have some 10,000 rpm road race motor.

People "mess their blocks up" because STOCK LS rods arent made to see 8200 RPMS. They have weaker an smaller rod bolts and weaker rods. That is what fails

In that case why do gsrs have girdles and what would be the safe max rpm for stock ls rods and bolts.

[BABY J]

^^ ARP rod bolts are too cheap to even CARE what the stock limit is on the stock bolts. You can also get some good deals on Eagles - even used. Why do people have a block OUT of the car and then try to piece it together so fast? YES Honda makes good parts - but when you start wanting to overrev a bottom end that was never designed to turn that high it will tell you - and fast. Bucky - do it once - do it right --- I also agree on the B16 slugs -- BUTTTT if you overbore the block then you're setup to go aftermarket there as well - how do the cylinder walls look?


PS: nitrous LOVES high compression BTW - LOL

[The BUCKY]

the block is already assembled. so the itr pistons have to stay. i have arp studs and rod bolts. and my golden eagle conversion kit came in yesterday. so i should have the motor together next week and ready to drop in the car

[Vteckidd]

In that case why do gsrs have girdles and what would be the safe max rpm for stock ls rods and bolts.

the question is why DOESNT the ITR have a girdle?

honda has a tendency to over engineer sometimes, and its been proven on STREET motors the girdle does little to nothing at all for high RPM stability. They only matter when the stroke gets really big like over 90mm. Hence why the F23s (hondas 95mm stroke) had 5 bolt main girdles.

My LSVTEC revved to 9700 all day with no girdle and Don Flores said it didnt need one, im not one to argue with him. However on someone elses 95mm stroker motor he had a custom 5 bolt main girdle put in.

Honda decided to counter balance the ITR crank a different way an opt NOT to use the girdle in the Type-R. The Type-R revs 900 rpms more than the GSR.

But FYI, both GSR and ITR rods are good for 9000rpms stock.

LS rods, 8000rpms MAX

[The BUCKY]

i am still running stock ls rods and crank

[Vteckidd]

yeah but you have ARP rod Bolts. The rod bolts make a world of difference. As long as your bearings spec out ok, (ACL you should be fine)

i would rev to 8500, but thats it an you should be fine.

Cranks dont matter any honda B Crank can see 10,000 rpms no problem its the rods that fail

[The BUCKY]

sounds good.

[Vteckidd]

i know it sounds good mother fu.cker dont ever argue with me again

[The BUCKY]

i know it sounds good mother fu.cker dont ever argue with me again

damnit

[OG-Skinny]

GO SOHC! You'll hate DOHC.. :P

[BABY J]

Don't trust Mike, he doesn't know too much about such things.