Powershifting...Skill or Stupidity?
This is an extension from ThackerSS's thread in the Killsforum O.T.
He said that DieselNuts "granny shifts" and isn't as skilled as himself, posted a video of his "skill" which is nothing but powershifting.
IMO:
-It's terrible for your car
-Not hard to learn
-Not a skill in any way shape or form, in turn not making you a "good driver"
Discuss.
agreed on all accounts. My clutch is more important to me than 1 mph and .1-.2 in the 1/4 mile...
WEK SOS. welcome to power shifting... my buddy has been doing it for quite some time and his technique is OH MY GODLIKE! and yet... he wonders why his shifter is bent... not to mention he broke his shift forkGO POWERSHIFTING! it makes you have a bigger balls too!
I mean honestly, I taught myself how to "powershift" in my POS mustang when I was 16. Its not hard. Woopdeefreakingdoo...you may be ahead in the race, my sh*ts gonna last 10k miles longer though(atleast).
Here's another thing, a REAL driver, wouldn't have to result to powershifting. If you can launch the car properly(not saying he can't b/c we all know he can), and shift QUICK ENOUGH NOT POWERSHIFTING I PROMISE there is little to NO difference.
just my
i woudl do that to my ole protege on hwy runs... and when i swapped the motor, a friend of mine got my old tranny , and it locked up about 3 days after...lol And as much as i hate working on anything tranny related, ill refrain!
what is a good definition of "POWER SHIFTING"?
a. Shifting really fast and hard
b. Shifting with both throttle and clutch on the floor as quickly as possible
IMO both A and B are pointless, only place where these techniques might be viable is at the 1/4 mile track, wouldn't even be necessary on a circuit.
and really there are very few cases on the streets where the 2 cars that are racing will have the same everything. resulting in a (driver vs driver) or (shifting vs shifting) race.
So to whoever is racing a car with a different hp/tq why bother? you either gonna win or lose with the power you have under the hood.
and to be honest, i love granny shifting vs a slower car, gives them hope during my 3 second shifts.
I am guilty of that against Dieselnuts's Cobra..... when you look out your side and you can see the car your racing in full view in the side view you just know its not close nor is it worth messing up.Originally Posted by LightningSpeed
Just run out the race, and let them think they were closer then they would have been.
Actually. I disagree with your logic.
-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.
-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)
-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use).
As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun!
Last edited by meepmok; 07-29-2008 at 11:15 PM.
Actually. I disagree with your logic.
-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.
-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)
-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use).
As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun!
yeah i agree with him
shift with your brain, not muscle
i dont do it. i like my clutch.
weak civic
X2!!!!!Actually. I disagree with your logic.
-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.
-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)
-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use).
As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun!
Im pretty sure Thacker has mentioned that his Camaro is a "RACE CAR"
Why would you NOT power shift in a "race car"????
When it comes to racing for money i say power shift. But other than that Granny shift is good enough.
You can always tell how there shifting by the engine noise too.
The Granny Shifters sound like this- Waaaaaaaaa! -moment of silence- Wuh, Waaaaaaaaa!
The good Speed Shifters sound like this- Waaaaaaa !-tiny delay- Waaaaaaaa! With less rpm drop the engine does not bog down going into the next gear-
The Power Shifters sound like this Waaaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaa! The rpms not only dont drop- they actually go up between shifts since the throttle is wide open the whole time!
:idb:
Actually. I disagree with your logic.
-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.
-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)
-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use).
As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun!
I will seriously bet $1,000 I can "NLS" all day long. never miss a shift and never lift at all.
and this is how v-tec sounds mmmmmmmmbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Sorry i could not help my self
weak civic
no lift shifting ftw. People who dis it, can't do it. boost + no lift shifting = great success
i like to kick my car intogear with my big LEFT FOOT!
I will seriously bet $1,000 I can "NLS" all day long. never miss a shift and never lift at all.
anyone accept my bet?
ahhaha its true. ricers sound worse. rattling like a bumble bee.
I have a feeling a ricer is reading this thread and going to try and powershift but end up over reving there engine and spin a rod or fuk there valves up.
:idb:
I accept... remember, you can't drive through redlights. not even in an automatic, so sooner or later you'll have to remove your foot from the gas pedal.
take it to the curves>>heel toe ftw!
vep,just like automatic w/ boost =no lift shifting ftw. People who dis it, can't do it. boost + no lift shifting = great success
well in some cases
I thought power shifting also referred to the light use of the clutch pedal. I.E. 50% rather than to the floor during shifts.
I accept... remember, you can't drive through redlights. not even in an automatic , so sooner or later you'll have to remove your foot from the gas pedal.
you caught me
so i get 100$ if i power shift for you? alright, give me a callActually. I disagree with your logic.
-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.
-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)
-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use).
As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun!
lol i would show him too but...
meepmok
(This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)
Don't you drive auto!? lolI will seriously bet $1,000 I can "NLS" all day long. never miss a shift and never lift at all.
edit- Damn, didn't finish reading the thread.
Bozzio for president.
i am mixed on it....i can see both sides of this arguement..however i have been doing this to my gsr tranny for years and it shifts like butter. while you may not depend on it to set any records it is still not bad as long as you know what you are doing. i wouldnt say its a skill but you gotta admit there are alot of ppl that cant even master the quick 1-2 or 3-4 shift..thats the easiest **** ever! if you can hit a 2-3 shift with out lifting and gain a little time in the 1/4 why not do it? after all..you paid all that money to mod your car so you could get the best out of it. im all for "power shifting" if **** breaks then it was obviously too weak and was meant to be modified so it wont break again!!
nice self ownage bro
Well I asked many Honda Gurus many say it tears up your clutch and flywheel.But they say you should do it only if need be.But not just all the time when racing.And NLS I read about a lil while back.That was programmed in ecu you can full throttle shift ,but the ecu cut out throttle for slight second.I read it somewhere trying to find it now.
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
2 step rev limiter..
you are so full of **** your breath smells like the sewage plant. You out launched me. End of story. Now you are scared to run me from a roll without running nitrous
and here i thought you meant that as in you werent going to drive anywhere and then just shift through the gears in your yard.you caught me
powershifting even sounds like a bad idea
^^^ its only bad if its ur car that your powershifting in lol.... If its someone elses tell em, meh, its alright
T-durr
isnt it called heal toe thats how japenese race car drivers shift it takes some skill
you give japan too much credit....its done all over the world...
NLS is perfectly safe and fine as long as you hit the gears perfectly. The first time you miss a gear, or let the clutch out a half-second too early, and you've lost a gear, if not the whole gearbox. The problem is that it doesn't actually make you much faster than half-lifting on the throttle to rev-match when your clutch reconnects. Reason why is the jerkiness true NLS causes. If you lift partially, enough to let the rev's start to drop while the clutch engages, you can link up more smoothly. On VERY high-horsepower engines this also helps keep speed up by making sure the tires don't spin in higher gears, something I'm sure Thacker knows plenty about. If you've ever listened to the way cars like Miata Cup cars sound while they're accelerating down straights, there's a soft lift followed by a pickup again as the gears engage, and the car doesn't buck back and forth like you see on some of these brainless kid-racers in civics with nitrous on them pretending to have fast cars. There's a big difference between shifting for minimal shift time and simply keeping your throttle to the floor the whole way down the quarter.
Edit: Heel-Toe is the technique of placing your right side of your foot on the gas pedal with your left side of your foot on the brakes to slow down into a curve that requires a gear change. Since you NEVER want to have the car go in/out of gear during a turn (It upsets the stability of the car and will cause lots of issues with traction at the absolute maximum turning speed), you shift as you slow down approaching the turn. The way you downshift and brake is to use one foot on both right pedals to blip the throttle up right before you let off the clutch. It's also just about the only way to shift and decelerate if you don't have a synchronized gearbox, so every race-built car in the world that has a race gearbox with straight gears almost requires it. The european rally-car drivers were probably the first to start playing with heel-toe ages and ages ago. Regardless, most people on IA that heel-toe probably do it to differentiate us from the masses of people who drive manual transmissions and don't have a clue that you can avoid burning your clutch out on a steep hill or using your parking brake if you just practice with your footwork a bit.
Last edited by Kaiser; 08-02-2008 at 05:54 PM.
^^ i tired to heel toe starting on a hill and failed at it. Im not that good at it... yet..
But you sir are right about letting the revs drop when shifting(i do that all the time hehe) I like when passangers go "tim you shift so smooth..." :boobies:
T-durr
why would you heel toe when starting out?^^ i tired to heel toe starting on a hill and failed at it. Im not that good at it... yet..
But you sir are right about letting the revs drop when shifting(i do that all the time hehe) I like when passangers go "tim you shift so smooth..." :boobies:
T-durrYou are only suppose to do it when downshifting...
something else to consider is the stress you put your engine and transmission mounts under.
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