I had checked many threads and stickys about this subject but they all seemed to be left open ended because of all the conversations that followed the post. Besides, I have trouble knowing who to listen to on these threads sometimes because of all the bad advice inexperienced people can give. I had purchased a b16 head a while ago because I had read in many places that a poor man's type r built a bunch of power, but now that everyone has experimented there are different points of view. I guess I'll end up staying with the full gsr set up and just build it as is. I appreciate everyone's help and advice, especially Mr. Kidd. You definitely know your hondas and I thank you for the pointers. Every dilema solved is another step closer to the build, thanks everyone.