i'm a young guy.. a civic is the only thing i can afford....mou. lol i love my civic. it's like my phone. i'll miss it if it's gone. =P
i'm a young guy.. a civic is the only thing i can afford....mou
I give out reps....
Hell another argument presented: You don't have to be "original" if there is a good idea. I mean my subaru is not the most original thing on the road; however, it is functional (bends, straights, highway). If you want to build a car RWD164 makes a point. You spend money on wings and body kits. Since you say that money is always an issue, body kits are freaking expensive. Use that money toward an engine part such as cams, valves, valve springs.
Oh and the whole FWD drag cars: No point in arguing this cause all things have been said. As for all wheel drive cars being half wrong, no also. When you have all four contact points of the car to the ground spinning this makes for better 60' times which brings your overall time down.
I am not questioning the intent of people that build drag cars from home. As for the Atom, it is very much street legal. Also, for the money that is spent on a FACTORY BACKED (Very important detail) FWD Drag cars such as the Pontiac and Chevy, you could buy a fleet of Atoms. All wheel drive cars would be good for drag racing, but weight has always been a problem for AWD Cars. Just because Domestic companies are making FWD drag cars does not mean they are good for drag racing. They exist purely because there is a class for them to be in. If there was a Rear engine, Front wheel drive class, I am postive GM would have a Car ready to go.Originally Posted by tchill
True. My fault on that one.
But, not everyone that has the urge to drag race need to have a RWD or one of those fancy English Ariel Atom's, or any other car that pre-built to be the fastest thing on earth. For one that car is probably extremely expensive. Two probably a good 48% of the people that drag race didn't have the money right away to say, "Hey lets go throw our thousands of dollars in and build this amazing race car." No, they had to work their ass off and build what they could and what they wanted.Two, That thing isn't even street legal (for those who like to have street legal drag cars.)
Their are many FWD cars out there that are monsters on the dragway, and for you to say screw them is out of this world. Why stick with one way of doing things? Is all wheel drive cars half wrong for drag racing?
Even DOMESTIC RWD producing companys have FWD drag cars. Like Pontiac and Chevy. Are wrong too? Come on man. I can understand bashing Civic, but all FWD cars.
i had a 200 civic ex that was pretty clean and nice. nothing done overboard, it wasnt fast but i like driving it, all good things come to an end, i blew the engine and now own an s2000
I have one open ended question. Where did this grudge form between Civics and Mustangs? I always figured they were different enough to not clash. Besides, the Mustang was originally a 6-Cylinder "Sporty" Car for Women. Over the years, Ford has tried to evolve them into a more Man-ish car, but they are still cars for people who want an American V8 without the V8 atributes.
i think its just because thier so popluar and u see them everywhere,so there like the the face imports and domestics,i mean mustangs are nice cars....ive driven a few and id rather drive my 3rd gen camaro,more fun,imo
Because mustangs and v8s are symbolic of the muscle car era, whereas civics are small displacement and with boost or other work can also be very quick.
This should be a non-issue. A civic with a $2000 turbo kit on it is still slower than a mustang with $2000 in bolt-ons.
Soooo.... stock for stock civics are slower, and comparable mod work they are slower still.
The civic should be "rivals" with something like a mazda 3 or a camry not a mustang
I think its also the fact that the civic was meant to be an econobox grocery getter and not some sort of sports car like most muscle cars.
More than likely in a 1/4, but that's not the only form of racing. Take a mustang w/ $2000 worth of mods and a civic w/ $2000 worth of mods to the mountains
Sports Car?!?!? Most muscle cars are as subtle as a brick and sporty they are not. Miata is a Sports car, MGB, Fiat 124, Mazda RX7/RX8, these are sports cars. Anything made by the Big 3 since 1965 can't be considered a sports car.
You can make a mustang stiff as all hell with 2k. I hate mustangs just as much as civics in some cases but still a superior car in my eyes. Nothing get much lower than a civic in my eyes though. Maybe a Kia Rio or somethingMore than likely in a 1/4, but that's not the only form of racing. Take a mustang w/ $2000 worth of mods and a civic w/ $2000 worth of mods to the mountains
Follow up question. Do Civic people ever, and I do mean ever, consider a Supercharger instead of a Turbo? Superchargers work well with little motors and give considerable gain. A lot easier to install too...
Saleen S7, Ford GT, i think the Dodge Viper is considered a sports car..i think, but i'd say for the most part thats true, but in the Big Three defense there really wasnt a market for sport cars in the states for a very long time
Doesn't seem like it. It would be better though due to being belt driven. Although I have seen a supercharged s2000. That would sound cooler too cause you could put a quiet exhaust on it and then only hear the whine of the charger
I call the Viper a death trap. The ford GT is considered an "Exotic" same goes with the S7
those are not muscle cars,the saleen is a supercar and the other 2 are sports cars along with the vette
muscle car is something like a charger SRT8 or Impala SS
thats what i saying, i think he said that US Big three didnt make sports cars after 1965
yea i reread that sorry.....the AMC AMX is a sports car, the fiero is........idk bout camaro and firebirds,i wouldnt call them sports cars
np, as long as you dont call the mustang anything but a pony car
and almost forgat one of the few FWD sportscars the daytona iroc r/t
IMO superchargers, especially on small motors are a waste, they have so much parasitic draw just to power the blower. also alot of blowers on civics are difficult to intercool. turbos on the other hand when sized properly can easily out power a blower in terms of air flow, air charge temp (lower), whp, and even power delivery.
rather than splitting hairs, why not look at the point trying to be made. the point being that most muscle cars were designed to have a high horsepower and tq output and to be fast. that was not the intention for the civic. and to say that no big 3 cars since 65 are sports car is just a silly notion.
IMO a wrx is hardly fast on its own. and more inline competition for the civic would be a corolla or sentra, which incidentally both have variants are are widely modified as well.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA this statement in itself discredits you as a whole
Uhm how so? The civic is hondas compact sedan, the camry is a direct competitor for the accord.
Uhm cause you said that the WRX is a competitor for the civic. Not the case what so ever.
Please show me where i said it was a competitor, i cant find it.
i chose a civic bc they are reliable, great on gas, look decent, drive great, fun to fix up, and great for commuting to college.
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Wasn't a market? Are you kidding? Alfa Romeo, Triumph, MG, Porsche, Fiat, Lancia, and Early BMW's were gobbled up becuase there was a huge demand. As far as the cars you listed none are sports cars, they are all too big. Sports cars are meant to be small engined, light little cars that handle well. The Viper is nearly the worst handling car ever built. The Saleen S7 is MASSIVE, and the Ford GT is a bonafide Supercar. As for the arguement for a Vette, once the Big V8s got crammed in, the sporty was gone. Early 6 cylinder Vettes and early Thunderbirds are nice, but they stopped in the early 60's.
I may have read this wrong but your grammer is also something to modify
Not True at all. Look up Judson Superchargers they make many superchargers for small bore motors. Or you could use a 2 Stage blower and they are quite efficient. Truth is, Superchargers are better for small engines. Period.
wrx's are classed with all the other sport compacts, it has the awd over them.. but its still a sport compact. Gti-Civic Si-mazdaspeed3-wrx-TC-rsx-srt4. I man if you compare all those cars they are in the same class performance wise... to me it just sounds like your close minded on your competition, and people like you are the ones who make people want to spend money on econoboxes!
Another one that makes me laugh. I look at competition as one thing being competitive with another. Example: The Avalanche and the Red Wings. Both good teams and always close games. <--- competitive. A civic racing a wrx is not competition. If your definition of competition is both cars finishing the race then yeah but not in the same timeframe.
Oh and the whole TC thing made me lol a little, and then I realized that this was a serious thread and then I died a little inside
yeauh really aint nothing wrong with a civic. thats all these country rednecks say is o you got a rice burner. well in all reality 4 cyliders aint no hoes. i mean what is it now days all them country rednecks got for their jacked up trucks. www.theskyisthelimitforrednecksandbeer.com. sorry just getting carried away,
Was there an order these words were supposed to be put into?
i mean if your not gonna respond with anything serious, other than silly/witty idiotic comebacks, than ur not worth responding. i mean if u look up any article done by respected car testers, you will see that the wrx is tested with those cars. And as i found, it never came out on top, besides in the 0-60 which is obvious..but barely. And even the 08 was rated behind the ms3. the wrx. the wrx only sits high and mighty on the forums, it is a great car. But its really classed with those compacts....you should know this..u drive the car.
I know the stock test results and as someone that reequents the forums you should know that there are not that may stock WRXs around. With a simple exhaust swap and a tune they can net over a 50 whp gain. I am not saying that my car is the best car there is but in all reality it is misclassed. Also most of the mags. also test the wrx in with the evo. Would you class an evo with the rest of these cars?
Edit: And also this thread was not really about stock civics and we all know that. There is nothing wrong with stock civics. Hell I would drive one cause they get 40 miles to the gallon and my car gets 18.
Dude, Can we get some foot notes as to how it got this far? I'm not backtracking....
K series 626. That's right. It's got a K in it.
The just of it is that civics are still gay unless in stock form and everyone is still trying to defend theirs.
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