SRT-4 vs. Mazdaspeed 3

[Mayniac]

I would go with the Mazdaspeed 3, better interior, looks better IMO, and its not a Neon.
SRT-4's can be made quick real easily. Not so sure about the MS3, haven't seen or heard of any of them being heavily modded. Just like all turbo cars, im sure it can be made fast with upgraded turbo, and supporting mods.

I would test drive both if I was you.

[iEvo]

srt4 ftw......u cant do sh!t to a mazdaspeed

[Mayniac]

u cant do sh!t to a mazdaspeed

Says who?

[JITB]

SRT4 , mazda sucks,, I mean anyone that makes a design where if you take the crank pulley off , it throws the timing set up off because they wound so tight, it causes bent valves, or drops a valve, I mean cmon!!!

you dont know what your taikin about....be quiet ive broken belts on my mazda and havent bent a valve, and never will worry about it happening because it CANT. mazda motors are never wound too tight...there not wound enough!!

most mazda motors, are non inteference only ones i know off the top of my head is the 2.0/2.2/and the kl V6 motors. Your a ASE mechanic and have experience with honda, so you should know that ALL honda motors are inteference motors.


no one with any knowledge can undersetimate the neons, they have always been good track cars. Most Srt4 owners dont know anything about neons before the srt4.

[JITB]

srt4 ftw......u cant do sh!t to a mazdaspeed

i have herd the car has alot of electronics that limit it, but that is for driveability puposes, it hasnt been out long enough yet. for all that stuff to be worked out yet. The car has too many good attributes to not have any aftermarket.

[Mayniac]

Seriously, which one would you guys take? On looks alone.

Here is a stock SRT-4 ---- BORING



And here is a MS3 with rims ---- ALOT BETTER

[JITB]

Seriously, which one would you guys take? On looks alone.

Here is a stock SRT-4 ---- BORING



And here is a MS3 with rims ---- ALOT BETTER

That pic of the ms3 is with the Optional Light weight wheels that are supposed to be released.. i believe!

[Mayniac]

That pic of the ms3 is with the Optional Light weight wheels that are supposed to be released.. i believe!

If thats true, they makes it look really NICE!

[JITB]

If thats true, they makes it look really NICE!

i think it might be, i just saw a video on you tube with the same wheels..

[hXc007]

me personally, i prefer the neon srt-4

they look pretty cool (except for the ugly ass stock wheels) and sound mean as **** modded (like tiny high mpg muscle cars lol)

[kfzemx3]

k series V6 motors

Hemispheric motors FTW

[kfzemx3]

i have herd the car has alot of electronics that limit it, but that is for driveability puposes, it hasnt been out long enough yet. for all that stuff to be worked out yet. The car has too many good attributes to not have any aftermarket.

Agreed And considering this is the same motor that mazda is using now for racing instead of the rotories since they were recently banned, i see a lot of potential for this car in the years to come

[JDMjoe]

Neither both are gay....

[Ericp]

/\/\/\ says the guy that drives a civic cause those are so cool.....

Seriously, which one would you guys take? On looks alone.

Here is a stock SRT-4 ---- BORING



And here is a MS3 with rims ---- ALOT BETTER

I agree, the srt doesn't look like much stock. That's an old picture by the way, not the wheels the srt came with both close enough.

To me the MS3 looks like a goofy little mini van, but is still a nice car and are quick from factory.


But if looks are a problem, just like any car, you can do things to make it look better. Here are just a small few pics

[JITB]

/\/\/\ says the guy that drives a civic cause those are so cool.....




I agree, the srt doesn't look like much stock. That's an old picture by the way, not the wheels the srt came with both close enough.

To me the MS3 looks like a goofy little mini van, but is still a nice car and are quick from factory.


But if looks are a problem, just like any car, you can do things to make it look better. Here are just a small few pics

cheater....nice pics tho!

[Turbo04]

I liked the power my SRT had, I made ungodly amounts of TQ, but the trade off is how much do you like 17-19mpg? Maybe if mopar would've come out with a kit to catch all the unburnt gas coming outta the tail, then I might have kept it. I kinda like the MS3, but I still woulnd't buy that either. I'm kinda outta my boy racer stage.....

[Member31410]

I liked the power my SRT had, I made ungodly amounts of TQ, but the trade off is how much do you like 17-19mpg? Maybe if mopar would've come out with a kit to catch all the unburnt gas coming outta the tail, then I might have kept it. I kinda like the MS3, but I still woulnd't buy that either. I'm kinda outta my boy racer stage.....

The worst recorded tank of gas on my car was 21 mpg. The best was 33.2 mpg. I average 24-26 mpg driving around and on highways, I average 29-31 mpg. This is on a Mopar Stage 3 car untuned that has hit an 11.9 at the drag strip and has trapped up to 120 mph. This is also with no weight reduction on the car.

[Turbo04]

The worst recorded tank of gas on my car was 21 mpg. The best was 33.2 mpg. I average 24-26 mpg driving around and on highways, I average 29-31 mpg. This is on a Mopar Stage 3 car untuned that has hit an 11.9 at the drag strip and has trapped up to 120 mph. This is also with no weight reduction on the car.

Whats the city only milege? I'm tooling around now average 32 in the city only, 40+ on the interstate with the mini. Not always going easy on her either. Untuned stage 3 car isn't quite right a description, if it's just a stg 3 kit, it's got the factory tune already on the PCM, which the also tuned for a decent gas milege. Also was that milege you said using the dial-a-boost?

[Mayniac]

I agree, the srt doesn't look like much stock. That's an old picture by the way, not the wheels the srt came with both close enough.

To me the MS3 looks like a goofy little mini van, but is still a nice car and are quick from factory.


But if looks are a problem, just like any car, you can do things to make it look better. Here are just a small few pics

Damn, those look sexy as hell! =( Oops =D

[Member31410]

Whats the city only milege? I'm tooling around now average 32 in the city only, 40+ on the interstate with the mini. Not always going easy on her either. Untuned stage 3 car isn't quite right a description, if it's just a stg 3 kit, it's got the factory tune already on the PCM, which the also tuned for a decent gas milege. Also was that milege you said using the dial-a-boost?

In my case, there isn't a thing such as city only milage. My work commute takes around 25 miles one way from one county to another. I use Hwy 316 to and from work. If you are not familiar with that highway, it is loaded with traffic lights and traffic is bad during the day. At night though, it is smooth sailing for me.

As for the DAB (Dial-A-Boost) settings, from what I have experimented in my car, I get the same fuel economy regardless of the setting while driving around town so I have it set to almost always at DAB 3. On road trips though, I have noticed up to two more miles per gallon while on DAB 0 but who knows, maybe it might be because I'm easier on the throttle since I know I'm on lower boost. BTW the DAB feature only affects boost during wide open throttle. The 33.2 mpg best that I recorded was on DAB 0.

As you have said, my car is sending out "unburnt gas outta the tail" too. All the Mopar stage kits are set pig rich from the factory including the stage 3 kits. My AFR goes off the chart everytime I dyno. Yeah I could get a piggy back and tune the car for more power and get better fuel economy but I'm totally fine with the S3 kit as is.

[Siverprobegt]

Agreed And considering this is the same motor that mazda is using now for racing instead of the rotories since they were recently banned, i see a lot of potential for this car in the years to come

Why were they banned!!!

[kfzemx3]

Why were they banned!!!

well they were basically unbeatable, plus people started complaining because they weren't piston motors. i mean i understand, but i think the same should be done to audi and there diesel motor.

[2turbo4u]

MS3 cause it looks better, a get navi,h.id's from factory. The neon looks like a four door bug(insect) driving around. Even when they're drop they still have mad fist gap between the fenders.

[SEAN]

I went to look at the new 3's at Rick Case about a year ago...they didn't have any yet and after looking at the Evo's I came across a SRT-4 they just pulled around on the lot...my friend has had 2 and I never felt slow with my old Tiburon till the day I went on a spirited drive with him...no comparison...I swore if I could find one with low miles I might get one...I did...23K and up for a Mazdaspeed 3...32K and up for an Evo...made my decision pretty easy for the NEON...17K...I like the 3's but they have little after market support and still are a station wagon...with mods even a SRT-4 can be made to look better...no regrets...peeps will always hate it because it is a Neon...whatever...

before...pic the day I picked up my car...



after...how it looks now...

[GTScoob]

Mazdaspeed 3 for sure over the SRT-4. Much higher caliber of a car (no pun intended), nicer interior, better exterior. Overall better quality of construction. I have heard that tuning the MS3s is a ***** but thats just because its a new platform and people need time to break the OEM code.

[Ericp]

Mazdaspeed 3 for sure over the SRT-4. Much higher caliber of a car (no pun intended), nicer interior, better exterior. Overall better quality of construction. I have heard that tuning the MS3s is a ***** but thats just because its a new platform and people need time to break the OEM code.

How exactly do you think the build quality is on the SRT-4? I don't know anything personally about the MS3 besides the basics. I've never owned one so I don't see how I could give my opinion on the build quality of it. So please enlighten me on your knowledge of the SRT-4

[JITB]

ive owned 2 neons, and have been aroudn a few of friends neons... and i will agree, that quality is in the share of mazda.. neons are made to be low cost cars....From what i gathered the srt4 isnt any different, its the same chassis since 95.. im sure ethings have gotten better, but im sure alot of things are the same. motor/tranny are solid its been proven. it has alot of capability. but as far as stuff you wish it had...the MS3 does have. ive never owned a 3, but i have owned plenty of mazda built cars. all mazdaspeed cars have had a great aftermarket, its just not as known.

truthfully, the 2 arent really being compared, the real battle is between the caliber srt4, and the Ms3.. ms3 has already been marked higher than the neon srt4...

[OneSlow5pt0]

well they were basically unbeatable, plus people started complaining because they weren't piston motors. i mean i understand, but i think the same should be done to audi and there diesel motor.

yep...Rotaries > pistons least the racing world knows that

but yea,the 787B was a amazing machine...only Japanese car ever to win le mans

[MS3ZZ]

ms3. Im little biased because i own ms3 but when i bought this car, i wanted a car that had little bit of everything. I looked at wrx as well as civic si and gti. WRX was quick, i loved the styling and the sound of mean boxer engine but interior was lacking and to me, awd in georgia is not really needed.. more of bragging right to me. Civic was nice but little slower than what i wanted. Had a hard time between GTI and MS3 but after the test drive, i coudnt really care about about superior interior quality of GTI over ms3.
Overall, ms3 was quick, practical, and had decent creature comfort. For the money, you cant beat this car imo.

[JBalla1036]

MS3 cause at the end of the day the SRT-4 is still a dodge FTL!!!!

[atlxpat]

stock for stock, MS3 has more hp and tq, better handling and better interior. i heard it torque steers like a mofo though.
if it were awd i'd consider trading in the subie for it, that interior really gets to me

[Oz10]

I would rather have the mazdaspeed 3 too. I just really like those cars.

[Ran]

Rotaries > pistons

Nothing like having the power of a I-4 with the fuel economy of a V10.

Styling: MS3
Practicality: MS3
HP: MS3
TQ: MS3
Backseat Roll-up Windows: SRT-4

Yeah...

[OneSlow5pt0]

Nothing like having the power of a I-4 with the fuel economy of a V10.

Styling: MS3
Practicality: MS3
HP: MS3
TQ: MS3
Backseat Roll-up Windows: SRT-4

Yeah...

nah,lol

it goes 13b = 6 cyl power
20b= V8 power
26b = V10 power


but im thinking bout bulding a LT4/5 FC...........

[hXc007]

ms3's are gay as ****


only pussies and lame-asses who cant build their own car up drive them


i like cars where people work to make them fast rather than fast out of the box

noob car

[Mayniac]

ms3's are gay as ****


only pussies and lame-asses who cant build their own car up drive them


i like cars where people work to make them fast rather than fast out of the box

noob car

If you didn't like the mazdaspeed 3 from the start, why even consider it? You wanted info on both cars, pros and cons. You got them, and now you're going with the SRT-4 cause its a "you make it go fast machine" and a noob car? You're such an idiot, if you knew what car you wanted WHY even make a thread about it?
Next time compare two cars that you're actually thinking about buying, if money is an issue scratch it off your list of cheap sh!t and look for something else. Now im not saying the SRT-4 isn't a good car, ... nevermind! Fuck you and your thread!

[atlxpat]

ms3's are gay as ****


only pussies and lame-asses who cant build their own car up drive them


i like cars where people work to make them fast rather than fast out of the box

noob car

you're right, the ariel atom is for noobs and pussies that don't enjoy performance.

[hXc007]

If you didn't like the mazdaspeed 3 from the start, why even consider it? You wanted info on both cars, pros and cons. You got them, and now you're going with the SRT-4 cause its a "you make it go fast machine" and a noob car? You're such an idiot, if you knew what car you wanted WHY even make a thread about it?
Next time compare two cars that you're actually thinking about buying, if money is an issue scratch it off your list of cheap sh!t and look for something else. Now im not saying the SRT-4 isn't a good car, ... nevermind! Fuck you and your thread!

i never once said i was wanting to buy either of these cars

i just wanted to strike up a debate about them

[Mayniac]

i just wanted to strike up a debate about them

Which you did. But seeing as all we were doing is wasting our time on someone who couldn't marinate any of the information giving.
Im done with you and this thread, peace!

[hXc007]

Which you did. But seeing as all we were doing is wasting our time on someone who couldn't marinate any of the information giving.
Im done with you and this thread, peace!

actually i did guy

its just both of these cars are go fast out of the box cars

why would someone get one of these and barely do anything to them or just throw some wheels on it and call theirselves a tuner?

im not saying that the people on here that have either of these cars arent tuners, it just the mainstream people will buy one of these 2 cars and instantly think they are street racers with enlarged egos b/c their wagon has 263 estimated hp

wtf