mustang build

[GangstaCoupe]

I don't think he is planning on running in a NHRA class anytime soon. As for the Windsor kicking azz I will stand my ground based on his build and questions. He is trying to build a budget engine and the Windsor 302/351 is definitely the way to go. If you want to open it up to top fuel dragster and Pro Mod classes then your in the wrong section all together. If you pay attention to what "HE" wants you may understand my entire favoritism towards the W family.

He has little experience so again the Windsor would be my first choice to suggest to him. Like you said above: the cleveland isnt for everyone, ie not your average backyard hack can throw one together and make it run, unlike a windsor.

I honestly do not think he would be happy building a Cleveland for good power with his budget.

I realize you have no idea what I am talking about now, I wasnt talking about top fuel or any type of pro class. Simply most good heads for the bigger inch windsors are a canted valve style head such as blue thunder, Yates, CHI, Pro kings, ect...but I wont derail this thread anymore.

[JRDman]

might be... might not be.. everything ive seen depends on the setup.

CJ

[The_ CaneCorso]

a 306 is a 302 block that has been bored .030

you sound alot like me. changing your mind about what you want ( combination wise)

first off it sounds like you want a somewhat street car but dont really need it for daily purposes so you can go a little bit crazy. Do you want boost, all motor, or both me and bugmans favorite all motor with a "little" bit of spray. Nitrous is very safe if done right but alot of people dont know what the **** they are doing so they do all sorts of weird **** with timing and fuel. this might help you out for as having a fun street car then turn the bottles on to blow down the drag strip or what ever pulls up at a stop light. If you do nitrous get the Digital 6 box from MSD it retards the timing when the nitrous setup is on automatically so you dont have to fiddle with the timing when the bottle is off or on.

if you want inches like most guys do.. just do a cleaned up 351. a .030 351 with a better bottom end wont cost you an arm and a leg but will be damn stout and can get a little more torque. in all honesty theres some bad ass little 306's rollin around so its not always about how many inches.its about the combination! i cant stress that enough.




the biggest thing is.. do you REALLYY have 10-20k to spend? because it wont get you any brownie points with us throwing dollar signs around. trust me some of us can throw more money at our cars than we know what to do with. but that doesnt mean anything. also, this comes from my road racing background. Id recommend you building a car that you can build off of later to go faster. get a good foundation with a cage and suspension, brakes, etc. so that as you personally get faster so can your car.

sorry its soo damn long.

CJ

Yes I will have that amount in about 6 months when my bonus check comes.
Ok so a 306 is a 302 bored over? So that mean you bore the piston walls to make them bigger and put bigger pistons in them? Im leaning more and more to the 302 just because it seems like butt loads of parts for them are everywhere.Also Ive heard of people and N20 blowing up their engine but I see your point "IF" its done right then it can be great. So would you favor the 306 or the 331? Is there a way I cna find out hp and tq on the 331 and 347? My cousin has a 88lx and he wants to do the 331, so thats why Im enquiring about it now. One more thing if I found a shell that used to have a 4cyc in it and I go and put a v8 is there going to be a problem? Meaning the suspension it came with and other things. Also this question has not been answered unless I missed it. IF I went with different motor, like a 351. What computer would I use?

[BUGMAN]

I realize you have no idea what I am talking about now, I wasnt talking about top fuel or any type of pro class. Simply most good heads for the bigger inch windsors are a canted valve style head such as blue thunder, Yates, CHI, Pro kings, ect...but I wont derail this thread anymore.

Yeah I understand but I read something that made me think he was building a "Budget" motor/combo.

If he has 20k then I would definitely suggest Yates or Canfields. I have a really nice set of Yates SC1 that I will let go for 6k. I also know where a very nice Nascar type engine is for $16k compete with headers, trans and converter.

I looked back and don't see what I thought I read so sorry for that. CRS is killing my old azz I guess.

[BUGMAN]

One more thing if I found a shell that used to have a 4cyc in it and I go and put a v8 is there going to be a problem? Meaning the suspension it came with and other things.

I have probably 7-8 that use to be 4 cylinder cars now. If your doing a ground up build then it will never make a difference. I would suggest changing the rear springs to V-8 springs but that's all I can think ot right now. I have one here now with a lill 306 that is a complete 4 cylinder chassis/body except for the engine mounts, fuel system, wheels and tires with sub-frame connectors, K-member, upper and lower control arms and a few other additons and it runs 10.60's on a Radial tire (carb'd of course).

If your trying to build a monster and want to spend 20k then you should post that in your first post instead of asking about cheap azz GT-40 heads.

[BUGMAN]

YIF I went with different motor, like a 351. What computer would I use?

You don't need a computer with a Carb. setup.

[The_ CaneCorso]

I have probably 7-8 that use to be 4 cylinder cars now. If your doing a ground up build then it will never make a difference. I would suggest changing the rear springs to V-8 springs but that's all I can think ot right now. I have one here now with a lill 306 that is a complete 4 cylinder chassis/body except for the engine mounts, fuel system, wheels and tires with sub-frame connectors, K-member, upper and lower control arms and a few other additons and it runs 10.60's on a Radial tire (carb'd of course).

If your trying to build a monster and want to spend 20k then you should post that in your first post instead of asking about cheap azz GT-40 heads.

gt-40 heads?
Yea I was asking about the 4cyc thing cause I have seen shells that used to have them and I was j/c what needs to be changed when adding a V8. Also just cause Im getting a nice bonus doesnt eman I want to put it all in the project, just saying it will be there.

[Init2winit]

I realize you have no idea what I am talking about now, I wasnt talking about top fuel or any type of pro class. Simply most good heads for the bigger inch windsors are a canted valve style head such as blue thunder, Yates, CHI, Pro kings, ect...but I wont derail this thread anymore.

Yates heads are actually not canted. I don't believe nascar allows for canted valve heads.

[JRDman]

oh chris... I bought my old car back from Ryan. so im also thinking about buying the motor he was ( my old motor) if its still out of something and or you still want to sell it. if not no biggy.

CJ

[GangstaCoupe]

I was thinking of Kasse and typed Yates.

Your right about the yates heads though, I always get the c302b's and yates diffrences confused. As far as I know though c/v heads are still legal in nascar, They took the cant out to up compression by doing away with the huge valve reliefs. At least thats what I was told...

[The_ CaneCorso]

canted valves?