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[Da_unknown]

i made 202 on an oem bottom end and a fully built head and rmf header..

[ZedEx]

<--- Honda-Tech goon. I love that site.

this guys talking about making 230whp. im just trying to let him know its not easy. Only 4 people have made over 230whp locally

While it may not be easy per se, it is not impossible with quality components. I say 200whp is an easy mark to hit, 230whp is a bit more difficult, and 250whp takes just as much more.

a stock clutch will NOT HOLD 230whp, sorry, ive smoked Competition Clutch stage 3s with 190whp.

Damn, how did you do that?

i see alot of "ive seen this on honda-tech and i saw so an so make these numbers". i dont see alot of "this is what my motor made''

No, I know people PERSONALLY who are doing what I'm talking about. But you're right, I have used a lot of "Blah blah blah on Honda-Tech did this that and the other."

However, I'm starting my all motor build in a few months here, I'll be sure to keep you posted. It's a rather simple build, I'll send you my Honda-Tech "build up" thread.

I know im coming off as a dick

Haha, nah man, we're just going back and forth about a vast subject, I'm not taking it personal.

I like being proved wrong, that's how I learn.

but ive been there, ive had 2 big NA builds. ive consulted on numerous other builds. ive seen guys build crazy motors that dont make any power. ive seen the "sposed to make 230whp motors " make 200whp.

All motor is touchy like that.

Ive seen the 200whp motors make 180whp.

Hell, my stock Type-R with TODA header/Omnipower testpipe/DC Sports exhaust/AEM 3" CAI made 157whp... Granted, it was literally 110degrees out, I was a quart and a half low on oil (I forgot to check before it went up), and I was blowing blue like a Smurf. But for the times I run at the track, and the cars I beat/stay next to, I was estimating 180whp or so. But the dyno said 157whp. That's when I decided it was time to rebuild/mildly build.

Im being encouraging in a glass is half empty kinda way. 230whp is a HARD NUMBER to hit, and it takes alot of skill.

be prepared not to make your goal

I agree with you. I never said 230whp is an easy number to hit. I did, however, say that 200whp is rather easy.

Under hrad driving conditions, no way, wont last a week. Ask BlackR on here

Oh shit, BlackR's on here? I didn't know that.

Try calling an ordering one, almost impossible to get a 4.78 FD tranny nowadays. they are $$ too. I tried to get one from Hmotors an it was $1400. im not saying they are impossible, just HARder to find. remember i am in the business, ive tried to locate them before.

$1,400 isn't too shabby for a JDM transmission. They can still be purchased brand new, I can't remember which user on Honda-Tech has a hookup at a Japan Honda dealership, but he can get them for $2,000 shipped. Which is about what you'll find a brand new USDM Type-R transmission for brand new Stateside. I've seen them as cheap as $1,600 brand new from a dealership.

i woudlnt say that.

Oh come on now, it's not like I'm telling him off the wall shit.

How many have you done? believe everything on HT?

Nope, sure don't believe everything on Honda-Tech. But I know a lot of people who have done them personally... God that sounds so stupid, but no, I do not have any PERSONAL "I HAVE DONE THIS" experience, I won't lie and say I do.

again, how many have YOU done? your assuming alot.

Zero.

Where is Dave_B located? I bet its not the hot & humid southeast is it? What fuel was he running too...wasn't pump gas and probably wasn't 100 octane either. I've been around many 200whp engines, from Hondata to MoTec running the SMS header, stock IM, & j's racing intake. I know what's involved to get 200+whp and it won't happen around here with a stock head

Then to get that extra 30whp as mike mentioned...hahaha...good luck.

Dave's located in Florida.

I never said getting 230whp is easy. I said getting 200whp is easy, if it's done corrected.

i made 202 on an oem bottom end and a fully built head and rmf header..

Yeap, it's been done thousands of times over, it's definitely not impossible.

[JDM onlyy]

i made 202 on an oem bottom end and a fully built head and rmf header..

Wow, that sounds like a lot of money for not as much power as you think it would give you...

[Vteckidd]

i made 202 on an oem bottom end and a fully built head and rmf header..

again, yours was professionally assembled an made 10whp more than anyone elses motor locally that was similar

[SL65AMG]

where would i go about getting a header? i know RMF and Hytech are good but theyre about a grand..... theres gotta be something just as good for cheaper....

[speedminded]

where would i go about getting a header? i know RMF and Hytech are good but theyre about a grand..... theres gotta be something just as good for cheaper....

Then go turbo where a $300 header works and have this thread locked. You want quality that WILL produce results then you have to be willing to pay.

-or-

Just do like I do and search the forums forsale sections: importatlanta.com, honda-tech.com, team-integra.net, etc. etc. etc.....ebay.com, etc. etc. I guarantee you someone is selling a high quality header. Practically everything on my car was found on the forums/ebay: from my brand new b18c5, to cusco flywheel, Porsche calipers, stage III clutchmaster kit, OEM optional sideskirts, ITR ECU, obd2a to obd2b conversion harness, Honda ITR non-srs momo steering wheel...etc. It might takes weeks or even months but everything you could ever possibly want someone is going to have for sale somewhere...

[SL65AMG]

Then go turbo where a $300 header works and have this thread locked. You want quality that WILL produce results then you have to be willing to pay.

-or-

Just do like I do and search the forums forsale sections: importatlanta.com, honda-tech.com, team-integra.net, etc. etc. etc.....ebay.com, etc. etc. I guarantee you someone is selling a high quality header. Practically everything on my car was found on the forums/ebay: from my brand new b18c5, to cusco flywheel, Porsche calipers, stage III clutchmaster kit, OEM optional sideskirts, ITR ECU, obd2a to obd2b conversion harness, Honda ITR non-srs momo steering wheel...etc. It might takes weeks or even months but everything you could ever possibly want someone is going to have for sale somewhere...

why have the thread locked? and thanks for the advice.....

[speedminded]

why have the thread locked? and thanks for the advice.....

Because you were talking about getting a cheaper header, proper engine builds and inferior products don't go together...

[SL65AMG]

Because you were talking about getting a cheaper header, proper engine builds and inferior products don't go together...

i was wondering if there were any alternatives, thats all.