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[Vteckidd]

wow, so much misinformation in this thread.

Stock clutch for 240-250whp? wont last a week.

B16s have the same gearing as ITR trannys. CERTAIN year ITR trans had 4.7FDs. but those are hard to find.

Cam journals being off? uhhhh the cam journals cant be "set", and in a honda head, they really cant be machined either.

no the "assembly and machine work" part im talking about is PRECISION work. KNOW your bearing clearances, know your ring gaps, KNOW how to degree your camshafts in. If you dont know what any of that means, high whp NA motors arent for you. just go turbo. otherwise all your doing is halfassing a build.

Not many people on here know how to build an NA car an few have had success. Id take what you hear in here lightly. Truth is, very FEW have even made over 200whp, and only 3 people i know of have made over 230whp locally. check out my thread stickied in the the ALL MOTOR

KEEP IT SIMPLE, Vteckidds Guide to NA

or check Honda-tech.com in the All Motor forum.

[SL65AMG]

wow, so much misinformation in this thread.

Stock clutch for 240-250whp? wont last a week.

B16s have the same gearing as ITR trannys. CERTAIN year ITR trans had 4.7FDs. but those are hard to find.

Cam journals being off? uhhhh the cam journals cant be "set", and in a honda head, they really cant be machined either.

no the "assembly and machine work" part im talking about is PRECISION work. KNOW your bearing clearances, know your ring gaps, KNOW how to degree your camshafts in. If you dont know what any of that means, high whp NA motors arent for you. just go turbo. otherwise all your doing is halfassing a build.

Not many people on here know how to build an NA car an few have had success. Id take what you hear in here lightly. Truth is, very FEW have even made over 200whp, and only 3 people i know of have made over 230whp locally. check out my thread stickied in the the ALL MOTOR

KEEP IT SIMPLE, Vteckidds Guide to NA

or check Honda-tech.com in the All Motor forum.

well i do know that i will need a good clutch. even if i could get away with a stocker i probably wouldnt use it anyways.

for now im just gathering information.... ill cross the bridges when i get to them. but you bet your ass that ill be #4 on the list of 230+ hp motors


KNOW your bearing clearances, know your ring gaps, KNOW how to degree your camshafts in. - i know what these mean but i dont know the spec's are. ive got help from my dad if i dont know/cant figure it out.

generally how much hp is lost from the motor to the ground. 10-15%

im not one to half ass stuff, ill ask for help if needed.

[ZedEx]

wow, so much misinformation in this thread.

Stock clutch for 240-250whp? wont last a week.

I know multiple Type-R owners putting down 350whp on stock Type-R clutches, and many all motor guys running 230whp through their stock clutches, and they do fine.

B16s have the same gearing as ITR trannys. CERTAIN year ITR trans had 4.7FDs. but those are hard to find.

I gave the SPECIFIC information about this. All USDM Type-Rs ('97-'01) came with 4.400FD, JDM Type-Rs from '96-'97 had the same 4.400FD as all '97-'01 USDM Type-Rs. In '98, Honda changed the JDM Type-R final drive to 4.785FD.

How is that misinformation? And they're not hard to find at all... Any Honda clip/swap/parts carrier can get this transmission with no issue. You can still buy them brand new, how can something be hard to find if you can still buy it brand new? It's not exactly a high in demand part, it's not a Ferby, or a Tickle-Me-Elmo, the shit's not going to be sold out because the manufacturer cannot keep up with demand.

I hate to come off like an ass, but you called my advice/information misinformation, and it's not. It's not like I'm in here telling him that with just a JUN head package, he'd be good to rev to 13,000RPM, and he'd make at least 275whp or some shit. I'm giving pretty solid advice.

Cam journals being off? uhhhh the cam journals cant be "set", and in a honda head, they really cant be machined either.

no the "assembly and machine work" part im talking about is PRECISION work. KNOW your bearing clearances, know your ring gaps, KNOW how to degree your camshafts in. If you dont know what any of that means, high whp NA motors arent for you. just go turbo. otherwise all your doing is halfassing a build.

Not many people on here know how to build an NA car an few have had success. Id take what you hear in here lightly. Truth is, very FEW have even made over 200whp, and only 3 people i know of have made over 230whp locally. check out my thread stickied in the the ALL MOTOR

KEEP IT SIMPLE, Vteckidds Guide to NA

or check Honda-tech.com in the All Motor forum.

200whp isn't that hard to hit. A head package/proper CR with high quality bolt ons would do that just fine. Hell, Dave_B on Honda-Tech made 196whp on a completely stock JDM Type-R engine, with an SMS-P header/exhaust, Mugen intake, and tuned with Hondata. Granted, they're excellent bolt ons, but they're still just bolt ons.

If a stock Type-R engine with high quality bolt ons can generate near 200whp, a decently built LS/VTEC with a nice head package and high quality bolt ons can hit a higher number than that.

I'm not just disagreeing with you, for the sake of disagreeing. I just do not agree with what you're saying in the bolded areas.

[ash7]

*sigh*

here's a dyno for inspiration man. don't let all the technical crap [as important as it may be] take the fun out of your build. And that's what's important here. Stick to the Honda encylopedia that is HT and you'll be fine.

The dyno sheet belongs to a DC owned by Jeff Taylor, it's on Toda's website, and made 244whp all motor. it was however bored over to 84.5mm with ITB's, Toda C's, and 13.3:1 comp...

-jonathan

[Vteckidd]

I know multiple Type-R owners putting down 350whp on stock Type-R clutches, and many all motor guys running 230whp through their stock clutches, and they do fine.

Under hrad driving conditions, no way, wont last a week. Ask BlackR on here

How is that misinformation? And they're not hard to find at all... Any Honda clip/swap/parts carrier can get this transmission with no issue. You can still buy them brand new, how can something be hard to find if you can still buy it brand new? It's not exactly a high in demand part, it's not a Ferby, or a Tickle-Me-Elmo, the shit's not going to be sold out because the manufacturer cannot keep up with demand.

Try calling an ordering one, almost impossible to get a 4.78 FD tranny nowadays. they are $$ too. I tried to get one from Hmotors an it was $1400. im not saying they are impossible, just HARder to find. remember i am in the business, ive tried to locate them before.

. I'm giving pretty solid advice.

i woudlnt say that.

200whp isn't that hard to hit. A head package/proper CR with high quality bolt ons would do that just fine. Hell, Dave_B on Honda-Tech made 196whp on a completely stock JDM Type-R engine, with an SMS-P header/exhaust, Mugen intake, and tuned with Hondata. Granted, they're excellent bolt ons, but they're still just bolt ons.

How many have you done? believe everything on HT?

If a stock Type-R engine with high quality bolt ons can generate near 200whp, a decently built LS/VTEC with a nice head package and high quality bolt ons can hit a higher number than that.

again, how many have YOU done? your assuming alot.

[speedminded]

200whp isn't that hard to hit. A head package/proper CR with high quality bolt ons would do that just fine. Hell, Dave_B on Honda-Tech made 196whp on a completely stock JDM Type-R engine, with an SMS-P header/exhaust, Mugen intake, and tuned with Hondata. Granted, they're excellent bolt ons, but they're still just bolt ons.

If a stock Type-R engine with high quality bolt ons can generate near 200whp, a decently built LS/VTEC with a nice head package and high quality bolt ons can hit a higher number than that.

I'm not just disagreeing with you, for the sake of disagreeing. I just do not agree with what you're saying in the bolded areas.

Where is Dave_B located? I bet its not the hot & humid southeast is it? What fuel was he running too...wasn't pump gas and probably wasn't 100 octane either. I've been around many 200whp engines, from Hondata to MoTec running the SMS header, stock IM, & j's racing intake. I know what's involved to get 200+whp and it won't happen around here with a stock head

Then to get that extra 30whp as mike mentioned...hahaha...good luck.

[Vteckidd]

Where is Dave_B located? I bet its not the hot & humid southeast is it? What fuel was he running too...wasn't pump gas and probably wasn't 100 octane either. I've been around many 200whp engines, from Hondata to MoTec running the SMS header, stock IM, & j's racing intake. I know what's involved to get 200+whp and it won't happen around here with a stock head

Then to get that extra 30whp as mike mentioned...hahaha...good luck.

see you know what im talking about man! i knew someone would come through