ITB's

[ZedEx]

yeah. ill be building an all motor b20/vtec later on down the road. i like the idea of ITB's but the motor is probably gonna cost 8k(including tranny) to build so i dont know if i wanna spend another 1200 for ITB's if i can get the same power for 1/2 the price w/ a normal intake man.

thanks for the help guys

For $8,000, you can build a pretty decent all motor setup... I wouldn't be as quick to shoot for 250whp though, that's a tough number to hit with a B-Series. If you had twice the money, I'd say it wouldn't be a problem.

16whp gain is teh hawtness

The Performer X manifold is all over the place on honda-tech, and yes, that was with just the manifold itself. Aerodynamic technology has come quite a long was from where it was 5 years ago.

-jonathan

Pretty much.

c'mon man how much are u looking to push out of the b20? boost is the way to go baby.ITB are not my favorite unless....i can't even think of a reason...but feel free to do what u have to do. just 0.2cents buddy.

see ya 240love.

You obviously don't know the first thing about all motor Hondas... For example, RPRacing's 230whp all motor Integra Type-R ran 11.98, in a full weight Type-R. Now imagine about 240whp all motor in a CRX.

230-250 . im not gonna half ass it. Stage 4 block http://www.exospeed.com/category.php?id=144

fully built head

and maybe a turbo after that if im not happy..... and hell, ive got a crx so it wont take more than 250 to put me in the 11-12sec qtr mile range

Don't waste your money. Just come up with a block and a head, and call RLZEngineering in Concord, NC. They've built many 250-260whp all motor B-Series in the past, one for a friend of mine for his Type-R.

I guess your a hella driver then LOL

You're acting like that's unobtainable? 210whp would put him in the 12s, no problem. Look at what CRXs are doing with stock B18C5s, low 13s, high 12s, with about 170whp... Just do the math.

hmmm

...when building an engine for NA it eventually gets to the point to where you have to go with pistons. And the only way you're going to get any kind of decent power is if you choose high compression pistons to go with a nice set of agressive cams.

Sure, go ahead and do that. I did

But after that, any kind of FI is out of the question on that block.

you should be able to tap mid to high 12s with the right setup in a CRX.

-jonathan

Well, keep in mind, you don't want too high of CR. Typically, with decently aggressive cams, you'd want around 11.5:1CR, no higher than 12:1CR. Example, a friend of mine dyno'd IDENTICAL Type-R engines with Skunk2 Pro-Is, with CTR pistons (12.5:1CR), and P30 pistons (11.4:1CR), and guess which setup lost 4whp due to it's CR? Yeap, the setup with CTR pistons.

Sometimes less is more, especially with all motor Hondas.

[SL65AMG]

For $8,000, you can build a pretty decent all motor setup... I wouldn't be as quick to shoot for 250whp though, that's a tough number to hit with a B-Series. If you had twice the money, I'd say it wouldn't be a problem.

- i wouldnt think that 250whp would be impossible with an 8k budget. hell....stock type-r's put out what? 210-220? i dont have all the details figured out but i have a general idea - sleeved block, 12.1-12.5:1 compression(as long as it can be run on pump gas) pistons, skunk2 pro series cams or comp cams....JUN maybe? full port and polish on head, intake and exhaust side valve job(i know a guy who can do the head work better than ANY machine- Buddy Jentzen, old drag racer from back in the day), dual springs....the works.

if i do decide to turbo it can i run turbo cams on a N/A engine for the time being(if turbo cams are necessary for FI motors-could i run the skunk2 pro series or comp cams stage 3-4 on a turbo motor)? or would it hurt the engine?

Don't waste your money. Just come up with a block and a head, and call RLZEngineering in Concord, NC. They've built many 250-260whp all motor B-Series in the past, one for a friend of mine for his Type-R.

i was hoping someone would give me a local place, if not i was gonna ask. it would be a bitch to ship a block to cali and back on top of the cost for the work. they have a website? (ill check anyways)

Well, keep in mind, you don't want too high of CR. Typically, with decently aggressive cams, you'd want around 11.5:1CR, no higher than 12:1CR. Example, a friend of mine dyno'd IDENTICAL Type-R engines with Skunk2 Pro-Is, with CTR pistons (12.5:1CR), and P30 pistons (11.4:1CR), and guess which setup lost 4whp due to it's CR? Yeap, the setup with CTR pistons.

Sometimes less is more, especially with all motor Hondas.

was it tuned correctly????? it shouldnt have dropped in HP because he had higher compression.... maybe he should have used race gas/or chosen a more streetable CR.

hmmm

...when building an engine for NA it eventually gets to the point to where you have to go with pistons. And the only way you're going to get any kind of decent power is if you choose high compression pistons to go with a nice set of agressive cams.

Sure, go ahead and do that. I did

But after that, any kind of FI is out of the question on that block.

you should be able to tap mid to high 12s with the right setup in a CRX.

-jonathan

even w/ a sleeved block capable of 40-50psi of boost id have to use like 9.5:1 CR pistons???

i wanna hit 11's.... then ill go from there..... ive thought about making it strictly a racecar and then just getting something else to drive..... another crx....lol

[ZedEx]

- i wouldnt think that 250whp would be impossible with an 8k budget. hell....stock type-r's put out what? 210-220? i dont have all the details figured out but i have a general idea - sleeved block, 12.1-12.5:1 compression(as long as it can be run on pump gas) pistons, skunk2 pro series cams or comp cams....JUN maybe? full port and polish on head, intake and exhaust side valve job(i know a guy who can do the head work better than ANY machine- Buddy Jentzen, old drag racer from back in the day), dual springs....the works.

Stock Type-Rs typically put down 160-170whp.

JUN cams/valvetrain are awesome, but you can get similar power for cheaper. Give your buddy a try, I'm just partial to RLZ, so I recommend them when I can.

if i do decide to turbo it can i run turbo cams on a N/A engine for the time being(if turbo cams are necessary for FI motors-could i run the skunk2 pro series or comp cams stage 3-4 on a turbo motor)? or would it hurt the engine?

The overlap would kill you... Best cams to run for the money, GSR. Tried and proven on many 800whp+ setups.

i was hoping someone would give me a local place, if not i was gonna ask. it would be a bitch to ship a block to cali and back on top of the cost for the work. they have a website? (ill check anyways)

Shipping will be the least of you worries with this project. Pay for the reputable work, trust me. Whenever your head walks first time on the dyno and your $8,000 engine blows up because the "Shop that would do it for cheaper" forgot about the dowel pins, you will have wished you paid the extra money for proven work.

was it tuned correctly????? it shouldnt have dropped in HP because he had higher compression.... maybe he should have used race gas/or chosen a more streetable CR.

No, both setups were tuned dead on. Too high of CR without the cams to use, will cause a loss in power. Bradstard's 252whp Type-R only had 11.9:1CR...

even w/ a sleeved block capable of 40-50psi of boost id have to use like 9.5:1 CR pistons???

John Shephard runs 10.5:1CR on 60psi.

i wanna hit 11's.... then ill go from there..... ive thought about making it strictly a racecar and then just getting something else to drive..... another crx....lol

Street ass busting cars are really fun man. A full weight CRX with 230-240whp all motor would be quite fun. If it's not enough, spray a 50 shot, and a guarantee you, you'll be happy.

A friend of mine (slodsm, around the net) mad 207whp all motor. Ran 12.4s on the motor, sprayed a 50 shot, and ran 11.98. Nitrous + A nice all motor setup =

[SL65AMG]

Stock Type-Rs typically put down 160-170whp.

JUN cams/valvetrain are awesome, but you can get similar power for cheaper. Give your buddy a try, I'm just partial to RLZ, so I recommend them when I can.

yeah ill check out RLZ for the block work. do they sleeve blocks and bore/hone cylinders? basically what i would get done at exospeed. look for the link in one of my posts ^^^ stage 4 block.

the headwork is guaranteed to go to the guy i know (best friends grandpa). hes the best. period. he ports heads for nascar teams if that gives you any idea of the quality of his work. and he doesnt use any machines either..... all done by hand.

The overlap would kill you... Best cams to run for the money, GSR. Tried and proven on many 800whp+ setups.

so theres no way to run them without turbo? oh well.... i guess ill just go NA

Shipping will be the least of you worries with this project. Pay for the reputable work, trust me. Whenever your head walks first time on the dyno and your $8,000 engine blows up because the "Shop that would do it for cheaper" forgot about the dowel pins, you will have wished you paid the extra money for proven work.

i wont go to a shitty machine shop.... but if i can save 400-500 bucks from shipping and put it towards something else by driving the block to a local shop id rather do that.

Street ass busting cars are really fun man. A full weight CRX with 230-240whp all motor would be quite fun. If it's not enough, spray a 50 shot, and a guarantee you, you'll be happy.

A friend of mine (slodsm, around the net) mad 207whp all motor. Ran 12.4s on the motor, sprayed a 50 shot, and ran 11.98. Nitrous + A nice all motor setup =

thats the plan. a couple of my friends have trans ams and mustangs and i want to smoke their ass w/ my rice rocket..... and i want a fast car.... always have

i dont wanna use nitrous..... nothing wrong with it..... but then it wouldnt be "all motor"

[FlyingStroke240]

By ZedEx You obviously don't know the first thing about all motor Hondas... For example, RPRacing's 230whp all motor Integra Type-R ran 11.98, in a full weight Type-R. Now imagine about 240whp all motor in a CRX.


By Homemade240s I'm looking at it money wise. By the time u spend the money to make that kind of power, u can boost two of those engines and ran insanely HP.
If u don't think so, give me the money that u're going to spend on an NA B20 and i'll show what i'm talking about. I'm speaking from experince so don't tell me that i do not know anything about Hondas...

see ya 240love.

[SL65AMG]

yeah.... but all motor is much more badass than turbo cuz its straight up what the motor makes. its not with bolt ons.

but turbos are even more bad ass on a built motor.... then ur making crazy power...... imagine 40psi....


EDIT:....im kinda drunk...